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M$3 April 05, 2009 04:06 PM

Since it will be about a year before I can pay to get them fixed - is there any way I can take advantage of having bad teeth?

I won't go too deeply into the specifics, but due to several issues, my upper row of teeth are pretty well damaged. I don't feel any pain from them, but I must say that my current smile would make a very persuasive "before" picture for preventative tooth care or someone to advertise cosmetic restoration - and can easily scare small children into brushing teeth.

Since I refuse to go into debt to get them fixed NOW, is there a way I can search out or otherwise capatalize on having a very interesting upper row of teeth and perhaps earn enough to get them fixed?

Having an "interesting" smile has limited me from travels in the course of my employment because of who I represent, and having an "interesting" smile doesn't reflect well on my employer.

Fortunately, there's more than enough work to keep me in the studio, hidden from public view, and I can still do voice overs and impersonations despite the "interesting" smile.

My boss does occasionally drop the "get your teeth fixed" suggestion, as he'd like to send me to location shoots more, but until the teeth are fixed "it ain't-a gonna happen".

I've already checked with the local dental school - Univ. of IL at Chicago, and they only offer a "get here early for a pay-per-proceedure" deal. My budget says "no" until sometime next year - even with insurance.

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April 05, 2009 06:03 PM
Well, this does sound complicated, but not impossible.

It sounds like at the end of the day, you just want your teeth fixed.

Idea 1)

Have you talked with a few different dentists? They spend a lot of money on marketing and often give deep discounts for "in need" cases. This combination usually presents itself in the form of "do good marketing".

You're going to need to refine your story a bit. Don't make anything up (don't lie) but you need to be able to illustrate how your "acciendent" and the result have impacted you on a deeper level.

In short, a Dentist may want to treat you for the before-and-after photo session, but only if it makes good financial sense for them. Approach local radio stations, tv, newspapers, etc. Create a media kit that you can take to several Dentists.

Something like, "Rick and Emma on 101.9 fm have agreed to have us on air 6 times over the next 2 months. The local evening news will produce and run a full story about the surgery you're doing. The Globe will print a serial story on my accident and on how you've helped me. Etc, etc, etc, etc." Then, add on that you have contacted XYZ Photography and they will take professional macro before-and-after photography for any independent marketing that the dentist would like to do. Also, don't forget about post-surgery... say that you're going to wear branded shirts saying something like "look at me now, thanks to Dr. Gould!" and participate in several (list exactly which ones) community charity events to further promote the good will of the Dentist.

Show the Dentist that you know it will cost money to have the procedure done but that the exposure and additional customers that the office will receive will more than make up for the costs.

Idea 2)

How much does it cost your company for you not to be on location? Dollars speaks in budget crunches.

It's a pretty simple, tangible calculation. Figure out how much money the company would save if you could get out of the editing bay.

Have a careful, frank conversation with your boss. Show him how much money that the company is loosing and make a deal.

Deal 1)
Company pays my upfront costs to fix my teeth, I work overtime at scale until repaid.

In a busy shop, not having to pay overtime would be a huge savings. Remember that employers typically pay double what an employee receives as salary so this will add up quickly.

Deal 2)
Company pays my upfront costs to fix my teeth, my wages are garnished for x number of months until repaid.

Deal 3)
I would like a raise, but I know times are tough. I would like to be more useful to the company and realize that my appearance is holding me back. I will not ask for a raise for x number of years. However, in that time, I would like you to match the contributions that I am putting into a "teeth fixing fund".

This one sounds tricky. However, it's no different than retirement contribution matching, etc.

All of these deals are about how you spin it. If you're a valued member of a team at your company, think of why the company NEEDS to have your teeth fixed and start brainstorming ways to approach the folks with the cash.
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• Definitely gave me some ideas with my media background that I can explore. I've thought of another idea too, but I need to put a bit of work into it before I' ready to announce what it is. :)


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April 05, 2009 09:05 PM
I really like idea 1 - that's something I can definitely work on putting together.

Idea 2 - Getting "me" out of the building is something my boss would like, he's the one with the family, and he's already traveled the world over more than once for work. He's at the point where he'd rather stay back and let me do the traveling. I'm curious about travel, since I've never been more than 400 miles from Chicago, but it's not something I've been "chomping at the bit" for yet.

Unfortunately, no overtime, so Deal 1 is out, and Deal 2 won't happen - my employer doesn't deal with loans or non-court-ordered garnishments. I may have a shot at Deal 3, since they do offer matching for the retirement.

My boss has suggested more than once to monitor trade papers and some of the "extreme makeover" type shows and see if that's an option too. I'm intrigued, but haven't seen anything yet.

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April 05, 2009 09:27 PM
It's easy in these types of situations to think negatively. Saying "it's out", "won't happen", etc are valid statements... but when you're trying to do something that seems impossible, don't allow ANY negativity to enter your process.

Try everything and something will work.

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April 05, 2009 04:33 PM
You mention in your question about making a 'persuasive "before" picture' - maybe you could do just that?

Maybe get in touch with medical journals and the like, seeing if they would buy photos of your unfortunate dental issues?

Could your 'interesting smile' be used in some advertising campaigns? "Look what happens when you don't use our product" type of thing?

Please take no offence to any of the above - I'm scraping the barrel for ideas, extremely sorry to hear about your predicament

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April 05, 2009 05:14 PM
I accept full responsibility for my predicament, and my current financial situation...and since I have a warped sense of humor anyway, I figure "may as well make the most of a bad situation - with a bad smile".

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April 05, 2009 04:33 PM
Have you considered using a product like Snap-On Smile as a temporary solution? As the name implies, you literally just snap-on the crystallized resin teeth over your natural teeth to instantly give yourself natural, perfect looking teeth. It's non-invasive and way more affordable than dental procedures. You can have a consultation for this product at most dental offices, and it takes about 2 weeks for your custom smile to be made. You can read more about it, see before and afters, and more on this site:

http://www.snaponsmile.com/

As for capitalizing on your situation, you could possibly contact companies or suppliers of the products like the one mentioned above and inquire about participating in their "before and after" series.
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April 05, 2009 04:51 PM
I like that Snap on Smile thing. It sounds really nice. Do you know more or less how much it costs?
But it def looks like it's under $500.

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April 05, 2009 05:04 PM
According to this, they are around $1200, which is said to be around the cost of a "singular porcelain veneer." http://www.docshop.com/2007/04/16/snap-on-smiles/

Dental work is outrageously expensive!

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April 05, 2009 06:32 PM
Well, considering I have around $15,000 in dental work I'll believe that.
But that in particular seems excessive because it's one little thing.
I had all sorts of work done over a process of 8 years!

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April 05, 2009 07:05 PM
True, but the piece is custom-made for your mouth, and it supposedly lasts a lifetime. I think a lot of beauty pageant contestants use things like this.

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April 05, 2009 04:54 PM
So it seems your boss has an interest in you getting your teeth fixed. Can you arrange some sort of contract with your employer where they help you pay for the cost of the procedures and you agree to take on certain work. Of course that kind of contract usually comes with strings attached like you have to stay and work for them for a couple of years. But if it's something you need for your work, then I think you can talk to your employer about it.

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April 05, 2009 05:23 PM
I've had the conversation before. Right now, the budget is on lock-down at work due to the economy, so if any work is going to get done, it comes out of my own pocket.

Freelancing video work or voice over work is a direction I can go, but without my own video / audio equipment, I'm limited in the scope of what I can do - not to mention they have market exclusivity for my voice in the Chicago market.

Sometimes, it's really frustrating to have access to millions of dollars worth of television equipment, and you can't even record a voice-over for a non-company related project without being fired.

I have plans, but I also responsibilities and obligations, so I'm building experience and satisfying those responsibilities and obligations with steady income, hence the dreaded "b" word.

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April 05, 2009 06:36 PM
I'm really sorry to hear that.

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April 05, 2009 07:09 PM
@Maxzhichao

We can really sympathize with your situation, I have a impacted molar that has needed some work for some time, and right now I refuse to spend the money out of pocket to overzealous over eager insurance bleeders that most docs and dentists maybe. (not sure of your situation)

I also have a family member who was in a terrible accident about 8/9 years ago, long story short; this person still feels a little self conscious about their smile.

Here's some crazy ideas...
(thought i would throw this out their it might be worth a shot)

But another thing you might want to look into

>> Tripple A. AAA
not sure of your location but even automotive groups alike have great dental *insurance addon policies* (in this case from delta dental) that you can tie into and will start the beginning of the next quarter (June/Jully or possibly even May)

Usually they give between 1000-2000 of coverage.

(Like i think you mentioned)
>> Dental schools
Their are dental schools in different places that offer discounts simply because they would use you as a teaching mechanism for students.

>> Over seas ?
What about possibly looking into going abroad or to another country where dental work might be severely discounted ? (just a left field thought)

All in all just some left field thoughts and all things to look into.
But I will tell you the same thing I told my brother who had to wait a year for his surgery...
Don't think of it like "waiting" think of it like a opportunity, not only a opportunity for you to get educated about the actual procedure and what needs to be performed, but also a opportunity to learn about the procedure and prepping as much as possible for said procedure.
Who the hell knows maybe someday you will get into the dental field or something.

Now i'm not saying go ahead and bleed the insurance, but if you are already a member than it's your god given right for the pursuit of happiness .

I hope things work out.

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April 06, 2009 12:23 AM
I'm not an expert on teeth, but I do understand not wanting to go into debt to get them fixed. It also sounds like you might make more money if your teeth were in better condition. So here's what I suggest:

Get a 2nd job, and start saving like you've never saved for anything before. Cut the cable for a few months (I think you can do that for free if you tell them your struggling.) Stop eating out, severely limit your entertainment or completely cut it out all together.

Ask around about cheap good dentists. Once you go in, tell them you'll pay in cash if they'll give you a 10% discount. (Credit cards charge companies about 4%- so not using a credit card saves them money and you.) The reason I say 10% is that it's a good place to start negotiating.

Look through your phone book. Sometimes there are coupons for a free first visit to a dentist. Sometimes you can simply call them and ask. You'll want to know how much it is going to cost so that you know how much to save for.

Bottom line, don't be afraid to negotiate! And don't be afraid to get an extra job. I have no idea how much the dental work will cost, but I imagine that cutting back and working extra will give you enough money to fix your teeth in a few months.

Also, I've heard that having bad teeth can cause serious health problems. So the sooner you get them fixed the better- even if you simply get them fixed one at a time.
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April 06, 2009 02:51 AM
Last year I had about $3k of dental work needed. The dentist office had a "credit card" service that I could get and had a year to pay off with no interest. carecredit.com (it turned out to be GE Credit).

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April 06, 2009 10:45 AM
Pain free does not mean infection free. Most serious dental work is the result of decay, tooth enamel damage, or infection. I think you need to watch for signs of infection, low grade fever, and health risks. If the enamel is breached, you could face spending a couple thousand dollars for a crown. If the teeth are totally dead, you may need to have major work done. My advice is to assess risk and try to prevent major damage in the future by acting now.

Debt is bad. You should not spend, if you don't have the money. Good point. However, you may want to sell assets and raise the money. I don't think you'll find a hand out. Family assistence may be possible, if they are in a position to gift you.
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