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M$15 April 01, 2009 01:29 PM

How can I tell rock wool from asbestos? it looks like cotton wool.

Ok, I asked a guy in the workshop at work for something that insulates over 200C, he gave me this stuff, he said it was used in insulating furnaces and would take up to 1000C. It didn't click for me that he might have some old asbestos in the back there (or at least I assumed that he wasn't that insane to give it to me without warning me.)

It feels a lot like cotton wool, I can roll it with my fingers like cotton wool and it is very white. There is a product called rock wool, but I can't tell whether this stuff is or isn't rock wool. It certainly seems to do a good job of insulating(I was using it for an hour or two till I realized I wasn't entirely sure what asbestos looked like).

I'm kind of freaking out and typing this with a shirt tied around my face, so a good answer quick would be great.

Photo is the small amount of it that I have left.
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April 01, 2009 02:46 PM
Pro tip: I advise not taking any answers you receive as your only source of authority. A small photo is not sufficient for identification, and the dangers of cancer, mesothelioma, and asbestosis should encourage you to be absolutely sure that you have the correct product. However, I am giving you a well-researched answer and hope it will aid in your identification. Also, I am actually answering your question as if my own health were involved, rather than posting random information.

IDENTIFYING ROCK WOOL
Rock wool is a specific type of mineral wool. It is formed in a furnace from slag, the by-products of the ore smelting process. The appearance of this type of insulation is consistent with that of your photo, like a mass of very fine fibers, and is often very similar to wool in appearance and texture. While it is available in a variety of colors, it is primarily white, as yours seems to be. Research indicates that this is a safe material, and its use is widespread. It is not classified as carcinogenic, but it can still irritate skin in a non-chemical way.

IDENTIFYING ASBESTOS
Some asbestos applications have a thin, needle-like appearance, but chrysotile (which was pervasively used in the US as insulation) is soft and white and some misinformed people still think it is "safe," so your concern has merit.

IDENTIFYING YOUR SUBSTANCE

1. Look at this picture of chrysotile:
http://www.kentsurveys.com/f2d0_3.JPG
This is the softest form, and is the one that is closest to yours, yet it doesn't appears slightly more fibrous and course than your soft and cottony material (of course, it is a close up, compared to your photo). Closely compare yours with this photo, and find additional photos of chrystotile on Google Image Search.

2. If you have some sort of mask, you could attempt to detect any odors; rock wool should not have an odor, as it generally is not treated with chemicals. If yours doesn't smell, along with the other factors we have, it is almost certainly mineral wool and specifically "rock wool." Yeah, extreme caution advised.

So here is my unprofessional opinion: the material in your photo is not asbestos and it doesn't contain asbestos. Here is my rational:

* Comparing the photos available online, your substance does not resemble even the softest asbestos material as much as it does rock wool.

* I don't know what type of workshop you're discussing, but I am assuming you are talking about a commercial company of some type. I think any rational business owner would do everything in his or her power to stay as far away from the word asbestos as possible. Unless this stuff was "discovered" in a basement or an old shack, the likelihood that it has just been sitting there in perfect shape for 20+ years seems slim, as it is a danger not only physically, but could cause financial harm to a business owner.

* The person that gave it to you identified it at rock wool, which is consistent with its appearance. Unless you think this person is a complete idiot or trying to kill you, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, considering they used a specific term that perfectly identifies what you have, and it is cheap and widely available, so I can see someone giving some away freely.

If you have additional questions and want to get someone to assist, you may wish to contact Amerrock, a supplier of rock wool, to help identify this. http://www.amerrock.com/ or, particularly, Janese Creech, National Marketing Rep (214.263.4195). I have seen her posts online, and she is well acquainted with the product. I am sure she would send you a small, free sample of white rock wool as this is common practice, and this would definitely clear everything up with no cost to you.

Additionally, you should go back to the person you got it from and see if they have any packaging, or find out how the item was obtained.
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysotile
http://www.kentsurveys.com/
http://www.bobvila.com/BBS/rockwool_insulation-Safety_Environmental_and_Haz...
http://www.inspect-ny.com/interiors/Rock_Wool_Insulation.htm
http://www.naima.org/pages/resources/faq/faq_mineral.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_wool
http://www.amerrock.com/contactus.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos

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April 01, 2009 02:03 PM
The material appears to be Rock Wool / Mineral Wool / Slag Wool.

From the source...

"Rock wool is a naturally-occurring mineral fiber that looks like chopped white cottony material."

http://www.inspect-ny.com/sickhouse/asbestos/rockwool1s.jpg

The source also provides great images of other rock wool variations and asbestos products as well.
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April 01, 2009 02:03 PM
Mineral wool, also known as mineral fibers or man-made mineral fibers are fibers made from natural or synthetic minerals or metal oxides. The latter term is generally used to refer solely to synthetic materials including fiberglass, ceramic fibers and rock or stone wool. Industrial applications of mineral wool include is thermal insulation and filtration.

Asbestos is a naturally occurring silicate mineral with long, thin fibrous crystals. The word asbestos (ἄσβεστος) is derived from a Greek adjective meaning inextinguishable. The Greeks termed asbestos the miracle mineral because of its soft and pliant properties, as well as its ability to withstand heat.

Rock wool is a naturally-occurring mineral fiber that looks like chopped white cottony material. (It may have originally been formed by wind blowing across streams of lava from erupting volcanoes.)

Rockwool is currently produced in the U.S. in Indiana, North Carolina, Texas, and Washington State.

MINERAL WOOL or ROCK WOOL - Mineral wool or "rock wool" or "slag wool" building insulation is not asbestos. Mineral wool insulation, slag wool insulation, and "rock wool" insulation would not be expected to contain asbestos fibers - We have been unable to find reports indicating otherwise.

This is a good insulating material and has a better "R" value and more sound-reduction ability per inch than some fiberglass. Rock Wool insulating Batts have an R value of about 3.14 to 4.00 per inch. Blown-in rock wool or mineral wool insulation such as that shown in our attic photo above, has an R value of about 3.10-4.00 per inch.
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