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M$1.10 November 01, 2009 10:33 PM

H1N1 - pandemic, hoax or both?

I'm not sure what's going on in the other corner's of the world, but here in Ontario, I'm being inonndated... the top story on the news has included some H1N1 reference daily for several weeks now, the vaccene became available last week for the "high risk" sector of the population and the line-ups at the clinics were hours long, some to the point that the line-ups closed 15 minutes after they opened in the morning.

Think of all of the people who stand to gain financially from the hysteria that this "pandemic" is creating... the media, phamaceutical companies, health care industry workers, the list goes on... In this recession we are experiencing, this hysteria could give the economy a boost.

I personally think this is more hype than threat. The flu happens every year, and every year a certain percentage of the population dies from it. I do not plan on getting vaccinated, just washing my hands with soap regularily and taking action if I get a fever or feel ill.

What is your opinion? Will you be getting vaccinated, vaccinating your children? Is this effecting your actions in everyday life? Are you avoiding physical contact such as hugs and handshakes? Even if H1N1 is a serious threat, is the planet not over-populated? Would it be the worst thing ever if a large cross section of the population died? (Survival of the fittest, etc..)

Do you feel that H1N1 is a serious threat to you and your family, or just alot of hot air?
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November 02, 2009 09:32 PM
I think your concern that the media is hyping the Swine Flu is not far-fetched, for the past decade much of news media has been based on our fears. I remember thinking a few years back the media was going crazy over bird flu, little did I know how they'd react to the Swine Flu. Here in BC it's also all over the news, and my radio gets interrupted once an hour with a morbid PSA about how we're all going to die without this flu shot... then it tells me my age group is low priority...great.

I'll live with added caution knowing H1N1 is out there, but most of that means I'll continue on as I already do. I'll wash my hands, avoid making out with strangers, punch people in the face when they don't cover their mouth when they cough. Because at the end of the day, I don't know how big it will be, I don't think anybody does and perhaps that's why there is so much hysteria.

Let's not forget it's been less then 100 years since the last major epidemic, the 1918 Influenza was a subtype of H1N1 (at least according to Wikipedia) - that virus killed over 50 Million people worldwide in a very short period of time....Consider the population of Canada is only 40 Million, that's a lot of dead people.

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As for the vaccine...it's hard to say, I've taken 1 flu shot since elementary school and I was more sick then I had ever been in my entire life after I took that shot, but that's just me, I think it's wise to consider what health care workers are advising, keep an eye on the news and if the world turns into a zombieland, gimme a ring, I got a plan.


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November 03, 2009 09:51 PM
At my mother's insistance I had to sit through the "news at noon" today. The 4 of the top 5 stories were in someway related to swine flu. Two of them conflicted each other. One was basically telling how dr's offices and clinics are recieving 1/3 of their ordered stock and it's not even enough to vaccinate the "at risk" population, the other, a story about how government officials plan a crack down on those who have refused to get the vaccine. There was also a story thrown in there about how the general population and the health officials are all mad at the government for not being pro-active enough and not producing enough vaccine, reminiscent of the backlash Bush administration recieved after the New Orleans fiasco. Urgh.

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November 03, 2009 10:13 PM
Oh I completely agree that the news is way over-hyping. It's really sick the pleasure they're taking in reporting on all this. And @krazykatie, you're right! A lot of their reports are conflicting! Isn't that horrifying?

That's why I really rely on the CDC and WHO for information, and not the news.

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November 01, 2009 10:49 PM
Yes, there is alot of unreasonable hysteria surrounding the H1N1 strain. It's not significantly more dangerous than the regular seasonal flu, but a small portion of the fatalities are people who would not normally be considered at risk.

The initial outbreak is responsible for much of the concern. Chances are very few people who initially caught the virus seeked treatment, so the perceived fatality rate was grossly inflated (or it was a statistical anomaly).

Many people who are infected with the virus (myself included) only suffer mild symptoms, and recover quickly. Getting vaccinated isn't a bad idea, but it's not any different from any other flu season. If you're part of an at risk population you should be getting vaccinated every year. The same applies if you want to avoid missing work, or simply wish to avoid being sick.

It's important to remember the flu is spread primarily through the air. Touching a contaminated surface and then touching your face without washing your hands can also spread the disease.
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November 01, 2009 11:06 PM
I disagree with being vaccinated. I'm part of an "at risk" population as I have lung problems and it's recomended I get vaccinated every year. The few years I have gotten vaccinated I've ended up very ill to the point of being bed-ridden for a week or more. I find that I know my own body and know how to take care of myself if I start to feel ill (preventative medication, extra precautions and extra rest.) I feel like the yearly vaccinations do nothing more than vaccinate you from last year's straign of the flu. I feel it's unnecessary and overkill... much like anti-bacterial hand sanitizer

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November 01, 2009 11:03 PM
I having had the flu already am not taking as much caution because I feel my body has dealt with it and it would be less harsh if I got it again. I do try to stay away from those who show similar symptoms to what I had (fever, severe headaches, body aches and so on) I won't totally isolate them but if I have an option to be in a different room then I find myself going there instead. I wouldn't run from the sick as much if I wasn't currently job hunting...I don't need any more obstacles at this point. I personally feel if there hadn't been any fatalities then the Swine flu would be a different story, but when fatalities are included then everyone goes into a panic....

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November 02, 2009 01:47 AM
I'm inclined to think that if we act responsibly it's largely hype.

I guess the thing is, if you feel lousy, stay home. Cover your mouth when you sneeze (with your arm, not your hand!) and wash your hands when you come in from the outdoors, handle anything dirty or publie (like money!) And encourage others to do the same. If everyone followed the basics, it wouldn't be a large issue. I personally am not going to try to get vaccinated (though it is something I support for smallpox and other diseases, I'm not against vaccines as a principal, a lot of people are still alive because of them!).

Part of the problem/concern is that it is believed to be the same strain that was behind the Pandemic around WWI. And that was the first proper pandemic. So people look at the past, which is good, but they don't seem to be getting the lessons about being careful and keeping good hygene and instead look to vaccines to save us since they have from other nastier diseases.

I think people don't get that you can't really treat a virus, it needs time and hydration, there isn't a magic pill to make it better.

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November 02, 2009 03:52 PM
I'm going to go with Answer C: *Possible* Pandemic

I mean, aside from governmental classifications, I think there is real potential for the Swine Flu to turn into something scary, the type of pandemic that history books have been warning us about for ages. Right now, we're not there yet. Thank god. But waiting to act and take precautions until death is knocking on all of your neighborhood doors is a dangerous idea.

So what about the idea that this is just a hoax? Well you're right about one thing: There are a lot of people who stand to make money from this. But I have a hard time believing the U.S. government in cooperation with the CDC would hype this considering it is costing our country, our businesses, and our citizens a lot of money:

Cost of closing schools for Swine Flu: (potentially) $10 billion+
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Cost to economy of people missing work/closing businesses from Swine Flu illness: $billions
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Cost to government for Swine Flu vaccines: $7.65 billion
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With the economy in the state it's in, I can't imagine even the most insane government wanting to dig a bigger hole for itself, simply to pad the pockets of drug companies.

So is this a HOAX? No, the numbers don't add up for it to be a hoax.
Is it HYPE? Maybe.

Next let's address the idea that this is no different from the Seasonal Flu that hits--and kills--every year. Yes, it's true that Seasonal Flu can be very deadly. But there IS a difference, an increased threat. And even if it's not time to head for the fallout bunker just yet, there are some extra reasons for concern, ESPECIALLY if you are in a high-risk group.

DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SEASONAL FLU & SWINE FLU:
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*The Swine Flu tends to infiltrate and replicate inside the lungs, compared to the Seasonal Flu, which mainly targets the nasal area. This can cause greater respiratory distress and lead to deadly conditions, like pneumonia, easily.

*The WHO stated earlier this year that Swine Flu is more contagious than Seasonal Flu.

* The Swine Flu seems to stay active during warm-weather months, whereas Seasonal Flu bugs struggle to spread during summer. Scientists aren't sure why.

*The Swine Flu is new. It is a "novel" virus in that we do not have any form of immunity against this new virus. On the other hand, we do have *some* immunities already built-in against the Seasonal Flu. Even if we battle a strain we haven't had before, we have some existing limited immunity and protection, helping our body battle it. This isn't true with Swine Flu (except for some adults born prior to 1957).

*The Swine Flu can also include intestinal symptoms, in addition to the standard Seasonal Flu symptoms.

*It is posing a much greater health risk to healthy young adults and children, whose immune systems may be *too* strong and overreacting to the virus. This virus has been shown to trigger a "cytokine storm", in which the immune system causes damages to the lungs, often with fatal results.
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The differences (if any) in fatality rates are not known yet, and probably won't be known for years.

So yes, I'm getting vaccinated. My toddler daughter already received her vaccine injection last week, and yes, I waited in line. In the cold. For a long time. For the past couple months, I've been taking extra precautions using hand sanitizers after going out, and washing my hands before I eat.

And even though the herd may need thinning, biologically speaking, you won't find me cheering for it to happen. Yikes. I doubt you'd want your family to be the first to be "thinned". I sure don't want mine to be!

I just don't like to take chance with our health. If I'm wrong--phew! I'd prefer to be wrong and have the Swine Flu turn into nothing!

But if it doesn't?....my mom always told me, "Better to be safe than sorry!", and I'm going with that line of thinking this time. ;)
Source(s):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33087922/
http://www.abc2news.com/content/swineflu/story/Swine-Flu-Could-Cost-U-S-Bus...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/health/july-dec09/flu-costs_10-08.html

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/hscout/2009/07/02/hscout628674.html
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/may1109sever...
http://www.marshfieldclinic.org/patients/?page=contenthubs-flu-vs
http://www.co.douglas.or.us/health/PH/HealthPromo%20Documents/H1N1%20VS%20S...
http://scrippsnews.com/content/differences-between-seasonal-flu-and-h1n1
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009/05/06/H1N1-flu-may-induce-a-cytokine-st...


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November 03, 2009 09:39 PM
I really appreciated your well thought out answer, and had a comment pertaining to the idea that some young people's immune systems were *too* strong, in turn effectivly turning on themselves in an effert to irradicate an illness...

Perhaps this is why this "swine flu" seems to be effecting that middle aged sector of the population... the people that have recieved A LOT of vaccinations (as opposed to the younger population, who has recieved a partial list depending on how old they are) or the older population.

I tend to stay away from things like hand sanitizer on the grounds that I think it's overkill... I think people need to be exposed to a certain amount of germs in order to have strong immune systems. For example, if kids are constantly kept in a sterile environment and not allowed to roll around in the dirt occationally they may be at greater risk to develop asthma later in life. I think of it like the little bugs that monkeys are constantly picking out of each other's hair, as humans, we would find someone with head lice revolting and completely socially unaccpetable in our current environment, but these miniature "ecosystems" exsist in nature every day with little to no reprocussions to the animals involved. Maybe in an effort to sanitize our environment we have disturbed these natural mini ecosystems?

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November 03, 2009 10:16 PM
Thanks for your feedback. I agree that we are over-sanitizing on a general basis. I'm happy to let my kid get dirty. Yes, I've picked up that chicken nugget off my floor or the grass and handed it pack to her. And I normally am not the type to wash my hands before every single meal.

Some germs are good germs.

At least, that's what I used to try to tell my mom when she "surprised" me at college and saw the frat house I was living in (yes, I said frat...and I'm a girl...don't ask).

I think that when specific illnesses appear in the country that have the serious *potential* to become disastrous, that's when I concede and start uber-Purelling my hands into oblivion.

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November 03, 2009 10:27 PM
Fair enough! lol

I'm fairly stubborn. Maybe I'm just having a hard time justifying changing my routines and habits for an illness, even if it may be warrented.

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November 02, 2009 07:33 PM
The flu epidemic of 1918 killed about 50 million people. You don't want the governments and media to worry about a new flu epidemic until after it happens?
It's not a hoax, it has been confirmed as a pandemic by the world health authorities who study such things.
There is no way to predict how deadly this pandemic will be, quite a few people have died but not in massive numbers. One hopes for the best, that between improved health care, vaccinations, and just lower fatality rates for this strain, that the overall effect will be more moderate.
But it really makes no sense whatsoever to stick your head in the sand and cry hoax when all the reputable medical and scientific authorities agree.

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November 03, 2009 09:44 PM
hmm yes, but this is the issue i'm having.
Define "reputable". Who is the buck behind "reputable". Is "reputable" the most popular, as defined by _____ who is sponsored by _____ ?

I find in our society it's rare that people just "do the right thing" anymore. Everyone has an agenda, or a price at which they can be bought.

I agree sticking your head in the sand is a poor idea, but doing your own research about something before blindly trusting the authorities may not be a poor one. Good hygene is always a great place to start! :)

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November 03, 2009 10:46 PM
Reputable means peer reviewed. In this case the reputable sources include major government and international health departments like the Center for Disease Control in the USA.
How can you do your own research on something like this? Are you a virologist and/or an epidemologist, or even a doctor? You can browse the net for legitimate news sources but evidently you don't want to do that or you wouldn't be asking on Mahalo. Good luck in the sand.

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November 03, 2009 11:32 PM
oooh... unnecessary burn for Mahalo!

I'm not actually asking for "expert advice" here... simply trying to open up a forum for intelligent conversation... curious about the opinions of others... and as usual, playing devil's advocate

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November 02, 2009 07:36 PM
I am not sure what it is. But it is making people scared. Evan Frustaglio, of Toronto a 13 year old boy is dead because of it. He got flue like symptoms. His dad took him to a clinic. He was not diagnosed correctly. He is dead on Monday. http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9013781.html
Read the above link and tell me why one should not be alarmed???
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/11/02/frustalgio-funeral.html
The vaccines are available to the high risk groups only in Toronto.
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/62179--t-o-flu-shot-clinics-open-monday-to-high-risk-groups-only
I am a bit scared to take the extra caution with my family. I am repeatedly asking my family to wash hands with soap when they come from outside. Bought extra Purell bottles to have them handy. If my kid is having a cold, I keep her at home.

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November 03, 2009 09:43 PM
The death did rattle a few cages. But are there not cases of death related to flu and pnemonia every year?

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November 02, 2009 09:06 PM
Swine flu is scary. It's a pandemic by definition because it's so widespread. But people are panicking because of what happened last time.

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November 03, 2009 03:24 PM
H1N1 COULD become a serious threat to someone who has underlying medical conditions, is 5 years and younger, or is pregnant. You can protect yourself and family from H1N1 with common sense and logic. Properly washing hands is the best and easiest way to prevent Swine Flu.
http://www.ehow.com/how_4933195_protect-yourself-hn-swine-flu.html

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