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M$4 October 29, 2009 01:44 AM

Is Code Blue Recovery Drink really 3 times better than Gatorade? Does 3x the electrolytes really mean anything for your health?

Is more electrolytes really better for you, why or why not? Should we still want to be like Mike and drink Gatorade or should we all be drinking Code Blue now? What's so great about it, and have you tried it?

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October 29, 2009 07:52 PM
Okay, I've looked at the constituents of Gatorade vs Code Blue, and frankly, it's not really accurate to compare them as close cousins with the only difference being a varying degrees of intensity, because they're not really in the same family per se.

It's not as extreme a difference as comparing apples and oranges... rather it's more like comparing oranges to pineapples, which means it's easy to see some parallels, but those parallels are superficial, and if I was the manufacturer I'd do more to make that difference clear.

The manufacturer of Code Blue does try to state in euphemistic ways that it's not a workout drink, rather, it's for hangover recovery, but they're probably being too subtle for American buyers, who wouldn't know how socially normal, and accepted, and expected it is for people in Asia to get hammered out of their minds the night before, yet still be expected to get up and go to work no matter how hung over the next day.

All social issues of working out versus getting drunk aside, the essential physiological aspect distinguishing what the two drinks are designed to suit has to do with the difference between what gets leached out with sweat versus what gets leached out with urine.

Gatorade is to replace nutrients in proportions to what tends to be lost with perspiration, and Code Blue is blended to replace what tends to get lost when someone has been consuming a lot of diuretics (compounds that stimulate urination) such as caffeine and ethanol.

I'm going to trust that most people can see that concentrations of salts etc. are much higher - and different - in urine compared to what is found in sweat, not to mention how those nutrients are eliminated in different *ratios*.

Gatorade is for if you've been sweating a lot, and Code Blue is for if you've been peeing a lot, and they're both fine for what they've been blended to do... replace ions lost to sweat in one case, and replace ions lost to urination in the other.

It means I would take Code Blue if I'd been up for days drinking lots coffee, because caffeine is also a diuretic, but not Gatorade. I'd use Gatorade if I was planning to spend a day in a sauna.

By the way, as an aside, there's a common mythology that consuming ethanol somehow translates to consuming lots of carbohydrates. Nothing could more incorrect *and* potentially dangerous to believe.

The body turns ethanol into hydrocarbon... aka fat. It does *not* turn ethanol into carbohydrates... aka sugars.

Neurons are special and different from all the other cells in the body, in that they cannot burn fat. Whereas all other cells in the body can burn either hydrocarbons or carbohydrates, neurons behind the blood-brain barrier are an exception... they can only burn carbohydrates.

Plus there's something else people need to know which maybe they don't: Mammals cannot convert hydrocarbons into carbohydrates. Birds can convert hydrocarbons into carbohydrates, but mammals cannot.

The way it works is: mammals can convert proteins into hydrocarbons or carbohydrates (i.e. it can turn meat into fat or glucose or glycogen), and it can convert carbohydrates into hydrocarbons (i.e. it can convert sugars and starch into fat), and it can even convert some sugars into amino acids (the amino acids that it cannot build from hexose and pentose sugars are called the 'essential amino acids') but once a food has been converted to fat, the only thing a mammal body can do with it is use it as the brick-and-mortar of cell membranes, use it to provide the myeline insulation of axons, use it to synthesize cholesterol, use it for insulation when packed under the skin, use it to make skin and hair oily, or burn it...

It *cannot* be converted to carbohydrates, and neurons can only burn glucose, which is a carbohydrate.

What that means is that if you're drinking lots of ethanol, and you don't also consume starch or sugar with the ethanol, then you'll be intoxicating the neurons and slowing them down, and then *complicating* it further by not providing the neurons with the carbohydrates they need to burn in order to keep going against the extra load they're carrying from ethanol stupification.

You'll noticed that people who drink beer or drink cocktails mixed with diet-sodas without munching on something starchy tend to get dopey and pass out faster than those who drink beer and eat something starchy, or who drink their cocktails with authentic sodas made with real sugar.

Your neurons need glucose - a carbohydrate - to function, they cannot burn fat - a hydrocarbon - and your body converts ethanol into fat... *not* hydrocarbons.

Where it gets dangerous, aside from the normal hazards of passing out at bad times, is that if the neurons can't find any sugar to burn, they will start converting their own proteins into sugars in order to have the fuel to keep going as a last gasp effort.

Ever wondered by people who drink rum and (real) coke don't loose as many neurons per drunk as beer drinkers who won't eat their peanuts? That's why.

So... if Code Blue has carbohydrates in it, and it's blended to be a replacement of nutrients lost to excessive peeing, which will be the case the morning after, then it can't hurt and in fact it's a good thing for carbohydrates to be part of the blend, because any time ethanol is in the equation, you'd better have some sugars and starches in there as part of the mix or your neurons are *not* going to be happy about it!

That being said... Gatorade is good for sweat, so use it if you're working out or if you're planning to spend a day in the sauna, and Code Blue is for cases where you're going to be peeing a lot, so use it in circumstances where you're consuming a lot of ethanol and/or caffeine.


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October 29, 2009 01:49 AM
Not sure why 3x the salt would be beneficial - most people are not salt / electrolyte deprived.

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October 29, 2009 01:50 AM
Unless of course you're talking about marathoners or something.

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October 29, 2009 01:20 PM
When I was in my 20's, I worked for a gym where I helped train female body builders. I studied nutrition extensively during that time, and learned that dehydration is a real problem with serious athletes.

The key is in the word "recovery". If you are an athlete, and have allowed yourself to become dehydrated, then yes, pumping yourself full of this is a good idea to recover your electrolyte balance quickly.

"Athletes who have suffered from painful and debilitating cramping usually need only cross that bridge once. While consuming enough calories and fluids during workouts and races is vital, it is equally important to provide the minerals necessary for proper cellular metabolism, cardiac function, and muscle contractions. All too often endurance athletes find out too late that these electrolytes have been depleted through bodily fluids and perspiration, the signs of which are muscle weakness, nausea, and cramping. However, this doesn’t mean that athletes should indiscriminately ingest copious amounts of one or more electrolytes. The body has a very intricate and complex way of monitoring and maintaining proper electrolyte levels. Supplementing with only one electrolyte (sodium is usually the most misused) or consuming too much of one or more electrolytic minerals overrides body mechanisms that regulate proper electrolyte balance. The solution is to provide the body with a balanced blend of these important electrolytes in a dose that cooperates with and enhances body mechanisms. Sodium alone (meaning salt) cannot sufficiently satisfy electrolyte requirements. A blend of calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium, chlorine, and manganese provides superior protection for the athlete’s endurance training and competition, especially in hot weather. ..." Read more at

http://www.americansportsevents.com/pages/ResourceContent/THE%2010%20BIGGEST%20MISTAKES.htm

Unless you're an athlete, or are sweating copious amounts of body fluids over a prolonged period of time (such as a laborer working in the sun), water is fine. Gatorade won't hurt, but you don't need something like Code Blue. Overdosing on electrolytes can be just as harmful as having them depleted.

Remember, everything in moderation. Even drinking too much water can throw you body out of balance and kill you.

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October 29, 2009 01:31 PM
Code Blue is designed, according to its manufacturer Kyowa Hakko, as a recovery drink after drinking too much alcohol, working out, or stressful travel. Kyowa also offers 50 amino acids and related products to manufacturers. Comparing nutritional information between 8 oz each of Code Blue and Gatorade we find:

Sodium: 250mg (CB) vs 110 mg (G)
Potassium: 180 mg (CB) vs 30 mg (G)
Total carbs: 10g (CB) vs 14g (G)

Thus, as far as electrolytes go, it is between 2.3 and 6 times higher than Gatorade, depending on the electrolyte in question. Gatorade claims the precise concentrations of electrolytes and calories in its products are scientifically based for optimal absorption during exercise.

In addition to electrolytes, Code Blue includes Reduced Glutathione, which is supposed to help the body scavenge free radicals that exceed the body's natural ability e.g. after a night at the local bar. With only 40 calories per 8 oz serving, Code Blue is not intended to replenish spent calories, which after a great deal of beer, wine, or spirits, is probably a good thing.

As far as the impact of high levels of salt in a recovery drink, for endurance athletic events that's very good. After running or cycling for an hour or two in the sun, the human body sweats out salt in surprising amounts. It is not unusual for a cyclist to add a packet of salt to salty crackers and wash it all down with a sport drink after riding 25 or 30 miles. Of course this is not recommended if all you're doing is running a couple of miles or riding around the neighborhood.
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http://www.drinkcodeblue.com/#nutritionalInformation
http://blogs.bostonmagazine.com/boston_daily/2009/03/06/code-blue-launches-...
http://www.drinks-business-review.com/news/kyowa_hakko_introduces_code_blue...
http://www.gatorade.com/frequently_asked_questions/
Gatorade bottle Nutrition Facts table


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