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My great grandparents, my grand parents, my father made homemade eggnog every christmas from approximately 1890 to 1960. In the small town where I lived, everyone bought eggs from local farmers, straight out of the nest. They were washed clean of poop by dipping them in a bucket of water.
Hundreds of people in that town made home made eggnog every year with totally unsanitized eggs. In the earlier days, even the milk was Unpasteurized. Nobody ever got sick.
When my father became too old, I was just plain too lazy. It was a lot of work. I never made it, I bought it. And still do.
My grandfather, every day of his life, for breakfast, had two eggs. They were prepared by breaking them into a sauce pan and warming them just enough to knock off the chill from the refrigerator - back to room temperature. He then poured them into a glass, stirred them up with a fork, and drank them. Ball park estimate, he consumed approximately 40,000 eggs that way and was never sick.
I never heard of salmonella until sometime in maybe the '70s when some news reporter heard about it and decided to make a name for himself by scaring the public half to death.
I don't know the exact statistic, I am sure some one will look it up for us but I know for sure, you are in a great deal more danger driving to work than eating a raw egg. I expect you are in more danger from lightening than raw eggs.
Don't be reckless but don't be afraid to live.
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http://www.extension.umn.edu/info-u/nutrition/BJ639.html
I also have a degree in the culinary arts.
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Personally, I buy eggnog for convenience and add plenty of liquor as well.
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http://www.pastrywiz.com/storage/eggs.htm
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/HealthIssues/1110384069.html
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Somewhere I have a killer eggnog recipe that uses cream and a couple of different liquors. It's to die for and just one glass would make you forget the risk. Still, I'd rather take my risks elsewhere and I think pasteurized eggs are the route to go for homemade eggnog.
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I was part of a discussion last year in which one person looked at the incidence of salmonella in confinement-produced eggs, and did the math that if a person ate two eggs raw daily, they would get one egg with salmonella once every 41 years.
Then they did the math on true free-range eggs (where you can go to the farm and observe chickens outside running around, not the ones where they say it on the carton but that just means they're still inside, just without cages). For true free-range eggs, you'd have to eat two eggs daily for over 900 years to get one with salmonella. So apparently only Methuselah was ever at risk.
Factor in the bit of alcohol (if you use rum or vanilla extract) and no, I'm not very concerned. I'm a whole lot more concerned about whether my kids remember to get a new toothbrush after they've recovered from a cold.
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December 23, 2008 07:52 PM
Does anyone let worries about salmonella keep them from making homemade eggnog?
I know there are cooked eggnog recipes, and that you can buy pasteurized eggs to use. But when you don't want to use either of these options, do you still go ahead and make your own eggnog, or hold back and stick with the store-bought stuff?
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| December 23, 2008 08:20 PM |
My great grandparents, my grand parents, my father made homemade eggnog every christmas from approximately 1890 to 1960. In the small town where I lived, everyone bought eggs from local farmers, straight out of the nest. They were washed clean of poop by dipping them in a bucket of water.
Hundreds of people in that town made home made eggnog every year with totally unsanitized eggs. In the earlier days, even the milk was Unpasteurized. Nobody ever got sick.
When my father became too old, I was just plain too lazy. It was a lot of work. I never made it, I bought it. And still do.
My grandfather, every day of his life, for breakfast, had two eggs. They were prepared by breaking them into a sauce pan and warming them just enough to knock off the chill from the refrigerator - back to room temperature. He then poured them into a glass, stirred them up with a fork, and drank them. Ball park estimate, he consumed approximately 40,000 eggs that way and was never sick.
I never heard of salmonella until sometime in maybe the '70s when some news reporter heard about it and decided to make a name for himself by scaring the public half to death.
I don't know the exact statistic, I am sure some one will look it up for us but I know for sure, you are in a great deal more danger driving to work than eating a raw egg. I expect you are in more danger from lightening than raw eggs.
Don't be reckless but don't be afraid to live.
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Personal experience.
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• Loved reading this story -- like I wrote in my question, I know you can cook eggs and/or use pasteurized eggs, but this answer addressed my specific question best.
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albanian
December 24, 2008 12:18 AM
I don't understand this answer, nor do I understand your comment on my answer. Note that we are talking about raw egg used in eggnog.
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December 23, 2008 08:06 PM
If you remember to use pasteurized eggs or use a recipe that brings the eggs to 160 degrees Fahrenheit you should be safe. I'm personally not a fan of eggnog so I'm not really worried.
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http://www.extension.umn.edu/info-u/nutrition/BJ639.html
I also have a degree in the culinary arts.
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December 23, 2008 08:22 PM
Salmonella outbreaks from eggs have become extremely rare partly due to better care by the egg industry and partly because almost everyone keeps their eggs refrigerated these days. However you are asking about eggnog, and normally eggnog contains rum, brandy and/or whiskey. If the total eggnog a person consumes totals about 40 ml (about 3 shots) that should provide protection from the eggs and also other food consumed. A fairly strong eggnog should do the trick. Personally, I buy eggnog for convenience and add plenty of liquor as well.
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http://www.pastrywiz.com/storage/eggs.htm
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/HealthIssues/1110384069.html
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December 23, 2008 09:08 PM
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Risks of getting an egg with salmonella in it are 1 in 10,000.
Also, eggs when you cook them it reduces or eliminates the risk. So your odds of eating a *raw* egg with salmonella are pretty dern low.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/salment_g.htm
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Also, eggs when you cook them it reduces or eliminates the risk. So your odds of eating a *raw* egg with salmonella are pretty dern low.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/salment_g.htm
December 23, 2008 08:22 PM
I have to admit, in this house we eat the cookie dough, although in smaller amounts than we used to. With eggnog, though, I wouldn't chance it. I like the store bought kind and I've had food poisoning, so for me it's a no brainer. Somewhere I have a killer eggnog recipe that uses cream and a couple of different liquors. It's to die for and just one glass would make you forget the risk. Still, I'd rather take my risks elsewhere and I think pasteurized eggs are the route to go for homemade eggnog.
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December 23, 2008 09:26 PM
Hi, as someone making eggnog this christmas season i too worry about salmonella its interesting and very ironic some of the responses here. What i find works will is to *add a little alcohol* , not to much but just enough the alcohol will protect you from any allergens that are very very bad for you.
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December 24, 2008 06:26 PM
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I think you meant to refer to the "alcohol kills germs" idea, but unfortunately, this only works at higher alcohol concentrations, optimally around 70%. Allergens are a completely different thing. Allergens are things, usually proteins, which cause your immune cells to become activated. Unless you're allergic enough that you go into anaphylaxis, allergens are relatively harmless.
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December 24, 2008 12:23 AM
I drink "coffeenog" every day for breakfast. I get my milk from my own cow (boarded out because I live in the city) and eggs from a farmer nearby where my cow is boarded (pick up the milk weekly and the eggs biweekly). I was part of a discussion last year in which one person looked at the incidence of salmonella in confinement-produced eggs, and did the math that if a person ate two eggs raw daily, they would get one egg with salmonella once every 41 years.
Then they did the math on true free-range eggs (where you can go to the farm and observe chickens outside running around, not the ones where they say it on the carton but that just means they're still inside, just without cages). For true free-range eggs, you'd have to eat two eggs daily for over 900 years to get one with salmonella. So apparently only Methuselah was ever at risk.
Factor in the bit of alcohol (if you use rum or vanilla extract) and no, I'm not very concerned. I'm a whole lot more concerned about whether my kids remember to get a new toothbrush after they've recovered from a cold.
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