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M$1 June 18, 2009 03:35 PM

What alternatives are there to toilet paper?

Historical references would be nice, but not neccessary.
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June 18, 2009 03:57 PM
"Using water to clean oneself, often along with toilet paper or sometimes in lieu of toilet paper, is common in Europe, most of South America, the Indian subcontinent, and the Muslim world where people use their left hand to clean themselves and their right hand for eating and greeting." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_cleansing
The new Japnese "washlet" will wash and dry.

Also the frugal site say to use newspaper or cloth squares which you can was and re-use.Some advice the use of a squirt bottle.
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http://forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=98240
http://inventorspot.com/articles/toilets_fly_5554
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_cleansing

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June 18, 2009 08:06 PM
I just can't get myself to click on a link titled "Anal_cleansing" I'm squeamish alla sudden....

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June 18, 2009 03:40 PM
Um, how sanitary do you want to be?

soap and water.
leaves.

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June 18, 2009 04:06 PM
I want to be fresh as a daisy in spring!! lol...

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June 18, 2009 03:41 PM
There is a bidet, which is like a fancy toilet that uses water to clean you up instead of toilet paper. It is thought that the bidet was invented by French furniture makers in the 17th or 18th century.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Bidet_Ego_Kolo.jpg/222px-Bidet_Ego_Kolo.jpg
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June 18, 2009 04:04 PM
Well. how do I ...um...wipe? I mean, how do I know I'm all cleaned off? And what do I do about being wet? Do I have to use a towel? Is that how I find out if it cleaned me all up? (yikes!)

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June 18, 2009 04:34 PM
Haha good question. I was actually wondering the same thing. I have never used one, but I'm guessing you can dry yourself off with toilet paper or a towel.

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June 18, 2009 04:41 PM
"Is that how I find out if it cleaned me all up? (yikes!) "

LOL I'm sorry but that made me spit all over my monitor!

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June 18, 2009 08:08 PM
Quick, what did you wipe up your monitor with???

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June 18, 2009 08:18 PM
LOL @ayla_zed comment...

I believe the question is about reducing paper use and thus cut less trees. if so no paper, no baby wipes.

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June 18, 2009 04:20 PM
Actually, what about Disposable Wipes, the same thing used for children but made for adults (bigger I guess)

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June 18, 2009 08:05 PM
I guess it would be an alternative, but I don't see how this would be a good alternative. More expensive... more chemicals.. more trash...

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June 18, 2009 05:05 PM
My dad used corn cobs and Sears catalog pages when he was growing up.

When outdoors, large leaves work well.

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June 18, 2009 08:02 PM
....and what did he do with the corncobs afterward?? lol.. Well ok I can see this being a workable alternative, but only if I have an OUTHOUSE, which I don't.

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June 18, 2009 06:06 PM
Try your local recycle dealer. They would probably have some old corrugated cardboard that you could try. I wouldn't try and flush it though, as it would probably clog your pipes.

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June 18, 2009 08:01 PM
OLD CARDBOARD?? you are too funny. There is way too much Formaldehyde in that stuff, not to mention more and more of our cardboard comes from china and gad knows what horrible toxins they are dumping into it!!

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June 18, 2009 10:07 PM
Here is another another hitech solution.

"The high-tech toilet technology common in Japan is now set to make a splash in the West thanks to a company called Kohler. Their bidet technology is built into a simple seat which can be attached to your existing commode, providing a temperature controlled, aromatic cleansing that almost eliminates the need for toilet tissue."

"This ingenious device is fully customizable to suit your shape and preferences and has two programmable presets to accommodate both yourself and your partner"

"Tissue isn’t eliminated completely, however, as Kohler recommends doing a quick check with a small amount when you’re done."

I hope this answers @ayla_zed "Is that how I find out if it cleaned me all up? (yikes!) "
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http://www.markstechnologynews.com/2008/08/kohler-c3-toilet-seat-bidet-high...


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June 19, 2009 02:02 AM
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The ancient Greeks made use of stones and clay, while the ancient Romans equipped their public toilets with a sponge on a stick, resting in a bucket of brine. If you were rich, you could use wool.
---End Quote----

Cobs of corn and pages torn from newspapers and magazines were commonly used in the early American West.

All I have to say is ouch, and I am glad we have toilet paper today
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June 19, 2009 04:33 AM
Newspaper? OUCH !!! There is no better invention than wonderful toilet paper for the job at hand - no pun intended!

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June 19, 2009 06:37 PM
From a modern-day eco-friendly perspective, you have many options!:

1. "Bottom Rinse" Product

It essentially sounds like a squirt bottle that you fill with water and spray your bottom with. You DO still use a tiny amount of TP at the end to mop yourself up, but its aim is to REDUCE the amount of TP you use. Plus proceeds go to charity.

After I had my c-section, the hospital sent me home with a squirt bottle for...ahem...sanitary cleanliness purposes after toilet use. And to be very frank with you, a warm bottle of water rinsing your bits-n-pieces actually felt very nice and refreshing! (just make sure the water isn't cool!)

Here's "Bottom Rinse":
http://simplecleangreen.com/how_it_works

2. Green Sage Brush

Yes, as in leaves. Green sage brush is a very, very soft form of foliage and its lovely fragrance can help with odor issues. And it's just a little bit oily, so it has kind of a natural lotioning efftect. However, it has to be kept moist - so a sealed container would be a must. It's no good if it dries out!

3. Bidets

To answer your questions about how bidets work, you sit with either your back or front to the spray (depending on what needs washing), and then you would need a form of towel or wipe to dry yourself off. If towel comes back brown, you didn't do enough washing! I imagine with a little practice, you'd get really good at knowing how much water spray you'd need.

4. "Family Cloth"

This is getting more and more common to use. It's when a family designates a stack of cloths as toilet wipes (usually a wash cloth, torn up t-shirt, or jersey cloth). Keep them in a decorative basket next to the toilet, and grab when you need to wipe. They get washed in the laundry then.

This isn't too different from using cloth diapers (which I've done for my baby). There's a certain ICK factor, and you'll be doing more laundry, and there's an issue of smell containment (you'd collect the soiled cloths in a covered bin next to the toilet). Really, once you get in the habit though, it's not hard at all!

To launder: For diapers, we just throw the soiled cloth diapers (large solids have long since been scraped off) into the washing machine and do a HOT PRE-WASH. Then we add detergent for a regular HOT wash. By the time the cloths are done in the dryer, they really do smell fresh and clean! Almost never any staining. Trust me, I've put my face right up to the diapers just out of the dryer!
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http://www.bearridgeproject.com/2008/06/toilet-paper-alternative.html

http://greenliving.suite101.com/article.cfm/going_green_by_eliminating_pape...

http://greenliving.suite101.com/article.cfm/going_green_with_the_family_clo... (FAMILY CLOTH INFO)


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June 19, 2009 06:45 PM
ICK! The "Family Cloth" sounds dusgusting! I just can't imagine going that route. You may be recycling old nasty pieces of cloth but how much money are you saving when you need to wash and re-wash them using electricty and gas for the washer & dryer, as well as hot water and laundry detergents ??? The other 3 ideas were good though!

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June 19, 2009 06:50 PM
You make a good point about cost/energy savings, @geminigal. In fact, thats been a point of debate over cloth diapers.

Yes, it does take some cost/energy to launder them, but it is minimal compared to the wastefulness of toilet paper/disposable diapers.

Gross? Meh. Again, you just need to readjust the way you think about these things. It's actually very easy to get used to, and not a big deal at all. It's no different for me than changing a baby's diaper - wouldn't be the most pleasant part of my day, but it's a natural biological function.

But yeah, of all my alternatives, the spraying wash bottle is my favorite! So soothing!

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June 19, 2009 09:23 PM
1) I can't imagine wiping up a wet bottom with t-paper.. It would just come apart, I use Scott. I'd have little white bits falling from me...lol..

2) is that a brush made of green sage? or actual green sage leaves? either way, I don't think it would be practical.

3) I always thought a Bidet was for washing up after sex, I never thought of it as a toilet. I suppose I could be wrong....

4) I can imagine females using cloth for after urination, but for the rest of it, I don't think it would be a success.

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June 20, 2009 02:34 AM
A bidet is not a toilet, and isn't necessarily for after sex. It is mainly used as an alternative to toilet paper - for the purpose of rinsing your bits-and-pieces after you use the toilet (which, as I'm sure you know, is a separate device). It is a basin that squirts water like a fountain.

And I could see mopping up rinsed water with just a dab of TP. I think it could work well (it's not like you'll be sopping wet).

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