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February 11, 2009 05:04 PM

When should Shakespeare be taught (or even introduced)?

I'm guessing that most folks within reach of my question first encountered Shakespeare when they were teenagers. How'd that work out for you? Should it be earlier, like elementary (or even sooner)? Or later, like in college when you can actually choose whether to pursue an educational path that includes such things?

Folks that know me know I'm a fan of "never too early". I've told my kids (6, 4 and 2) Shakespeare bedtime stories. My 2yr old wanders around the house singing "Shall I compare thee to a summer's day", my 4yr old names her dolls Regan, Goneril and Cordelia. And my 6yr old once drew me the opening shipwreck scene from The Tempest. I don't think for a second that they have any understanding of the deeper meaning behind what they're seeing (they haven't, by the way, gone to any original live performances - just a special Tempest-for-kids last summer). What I'm trying to do is get rid of the fear and loathing. I remember hitting high school, getting a Shakespeare book and immediately thinking "Ug, this is hard I hate this" - probably before I ever opened the book! I fully expect my kids, by the time some teacher shows them Shakespeare "for real", will say "Oh, Romeo and Juliet? I know that. No big deal."

(Someone recently told me "Just because they memorize it doesn't mean they understand it." Which is true - and also just as true for the Alphabet Song, too, you realize? A kid who can sing her abc's cannot necessarily spell her own name. But what it does do is expose them to the letters over and over again until they are a part of normal vocabulary, so when you later learn what they are and how to use them, you're not burdened with the "newness" of them. Same idea here.)

http://blog.shakespearegeek.com/2008/11/breakfast-with-geeklet.html
http://blog.shakespearegeek.com/2008/12/tempest-act-i-scene-1-by-geeklet.html
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February 11, 2009 10:19 PM
I totally agree with you. Kids should be exposed to it early and it should be made fun so that by the time they read the actual plays, in all of the gloriously complicated text, they won't be struggling with the plot line.

Shakespeare for Childredn is a great book for kids to have these stories read to them like you have done.

One of the great reasons to read these stories to them early is that the themes in these stories are used over and over again in many contemporary stories. And when kids are able to identify these themes in other stories it helps them in all kinds of classes where analytical thinking is required ( not just future english / reading classes ) .

The other thing that is fun about reading shakespeare is that the themes are used over and over again in movies as well.

One of my favorite contemporary movies based on a Shakespeare play is Get Over It. It is about a high school play and there is a play within a play - very Shakespearean. It might go over the heads of kids under 10 but the music is great and the story is really fun. Martin Short is hilarious as the drama dept. Chair.

I read Shakespeare to my boys when they were very young and they have told me that it helped them in their video gaming skills when they are playing the role playing game type video games. ( on a side note they also Loved the book Beowulf because of the battles and the monsters ). There is also Shakespeare in Manga versions now - so it shouldn't be any trouble getting kids to check it out.

So, I'll try and slip culture in there wherever I can.
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Manga Shakespeare: Julius Caesar

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Get Over it

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February 12, 2009 12:59 AM
I'm familiar with the Manga, I actually gave a set away over on my blog :). In general I find those a little too violent for the young ones, one of my kids tried to flip through the Macbeth and ever since has said "Tell us a Shakespeare story, just not Macbeth."

Thanks for the movie tip, I was unaware of Get Over It!

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February 11, 2009 05:38 PM
I'd say as early as you like. My oldest was introduced around age 4 or 5. We have an old Tales from Shakespeare; more recently Usborne has published Stories from Shakespeare, where the stories are in prose; there are illustrations; and there are brief synopsis of all his works in the back. The language is fresh without being slangy, too. As a result of this book, my son had a favorite by the time he was 6: Taming of the Shrew.

Now that he's older, he's capable of understanding the plays as written. But the fact is that he understood the plots, subplots (up to his maturity level), high points, gags, and quite a lot of the culture at an age when most kids are either stuck on Captain Underpants or struggling to read anything at all. And as a result he's always understood allusions to Shakespeare.

My next child is 9 and has just discovered these books. I don't doubt she'll quickly follow in his footsteps.

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February 11, 2009 06:01 PM
We have the Usborne, actually. While it is better than the older Lamb's text, I don't find it great - falls victim to that trap of trying to stay too close to a word-for-word translation of the original and ends up not making sense in places. But, I've at times caught my 6yr old picking it up and reading from it as part of her first grade homework. Gotta love that.

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February 11, 2009 07:12 PM
It's not great as literature, but I really like that it has interested my kids so much that they will sneak off into a tree to read it. And it's not dumbed-down or too simplified for the stories that are complete (not the Cliff's Notes-style ones at the back). And the illustrations are ok--not many, and not my personal style--but the kids like them, and that's the whole purpose. We have my college text Complete Works for when they're ready.

I think Usborne also has Midsummer Night's Dream as a picture book! Or they did have at some point in the last 5 years. I thought my kids would like that story more, but The Tempest and Taming of the Shrew are the favorites so far. Go figure. :-)

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February 11, 2009 05:52 PM
I am in favor of introducing Shakespeare at an early age in the original language. It is much easier to learn language at an early age, the brain is evidently set up to do so. That way a better knowledge and appreciation will be learned without the struggle most teens and older face when encountering older literature.

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February 11, 2009 06:12 PM
I guess not all kids are the same, and not all ways of introducing Shakespeare are the same. I'm in no position to know about simplified or cartoon versions of Shakespeare, what ages those work for, of what value they have compared to the real thing. So I can only answer about the reading, watching, studying the actual plays.

My first encounter with Shakespeare was aged maybe ten or eleven. I picked up my dad's copy of Hamlet, knowing that is what supposed to be this amazing thing, read a couple of pages, and gave up. I couldn't see the point of it, didn't understand it, and was put off Shakespreare for a number of years.

My next two encounters were I think around age 13. We did Macbeth in class, and it was wonderful. Also round about that time, the BBC Shakespeare series started coming out, and there was a lot of fuss about it. At that age, of course that tale of young lovers, Romeo and Juliet, sounded appealing, I checked it out and was wowed. As the other productions in the series came out, I watched quite a few. Some still didn't do it for me, but others blew my mind.

I can't speak about the population in general, but from people that I know who've come to love Shakespeare, it's been a similar story of discovering it in their early or mid teens.

If I had kids, I don't think I would try to introduce them to it any younger than that, unless they showed a special interest. Most of the plays deal with themes that a young child can't get much out of anyway. Young kids can get as much out Star Trek or Doctor Who as they would out of a dumbed-down version of Shakespeare. Why show them a kiddy version of The Tempest when you can show them Star Wars or give them The Hobbit to read?

Also I guess I'm not in general a fan of trying to steer kids into being interested in what I think they should be interested in. More in helping them develop in whatever diirection seems to resonate with them.

Though I don't have kids of my own, I do have nieces and nephews. They're all quite young, but you can see some developing an interest in music and dance, others in sports, or technology. I wouldn't try to push literature in general at them, let alone any specific writer, just because I love it. Maybe give them a little taste, and see if they want more.

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February 11, 2009 06:29 PM
Telling my kids The Tempest, to me, is no different from telling them Cinderella. And every little girl grows up knowing the story of Cinderella. Why should it be different for Miranda and Prince Ferdinand? I don't see that as pushing them on it, it's not like I say "No, you can't watch Backyardigans, we have to study Midsummer now." At this point as a matter of fact they come to me asking for more stories. They've begun to touch on some of the meatier ones like Hamlet, Merchant, and Macbeth.

Only my oldest can read, and barely at that, so "give them The Hobbit to read" is irrelevant. As for Star Wars, I turn it around and say "Why sit them down in front of a television to watch something when I can tell them a story instead and actually involve their imagination?" They never saw The Tempest until they'd heard it many times as a bedtime story and begun working the characters into their own playtime. We won't even get into whether it is at all possible to separate the good-vs-bad, Joseph-Campbell-esque original Star Wars from what has become 30+ years of geek legend.

For the record I find the idea that "showing my kids something I love" equates directly to "pushing it on them" to be pretty rude, especially from someone with no kids, but since Darcy just told us all to get along I'm avoiding a rant :). Thanks for your input.

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February 11, 2009 06:50 PM
As I said, I don't know what the simplified versions are like.

I don't want this to become a matter of contention. You wanted views, and I told you mine, with qualifications about what I know and don't know. If you only want to hear views that agree with your own thinking, why ask the question?

All I am saying is that if the kid's version of Tempest if just as easy to understand as Cinderella, is there any more benefit to it than Cinderella? Not that there is anything wrong with it, any more than there is to Cinderella.

Nor did I accuse you personally of pushing anything. I answered a general question about when and how to introduce kids to Shakespeare.

As you can tell, I'm not too thrilled with how this conversation is going, so pardon me if I don't continue with it,

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February 11, 2009 06:57 PM
Sorry, Phil. Thought it was a conversation. I presented my side, you took a different position, I thought I was debating with you. I knew a guy once who told me that the Teletubbies had the same artistic merit as Hamlet, so your Star Wars and Hobbit comparisons are a welcome departure.

You certainly did say "I wouldn't try to push literature ... just because I love it", so please accept my apologies if I was not supposed to infer that this is exactly what I must be doing. I tend to get that a lot, too.

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February 11, 2009 07:07 PM
I think the reason that many don't discover it or get into it before mid-teens is that's when our society has started introducing it in schools. Same with most literature that is worthwhile.

It wasn't always this way. Traditionally in Europe, kids were exposed to great books as part of learning to read. They weren't reading them and understanding them on the same level an older teen or adult would, but at least they were familiar with them.

There are a couple of educational approaches that fit this model: Classical Education, which you find in some private schools and in individual education; and its offshoots Living Books/Great Books and Charlotte Mason education. The idea is that when most of what you are exposed to are enduring works of value and beauty and Big Ideas, it forms a standard for you and makes learning things like grammar easier, and the arts less scary.

I do like your idea of exposing kids to a lot of different things, but I do think it should be done early, simply because it does become less scary. Especially if the child shows aptitude and interest in something that needs to be pursued early in order to become successful, like women's gymnastics and ballet.

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February 11, 2009 07:10 PM
By the time I was introduced to Shakespeare, I had already read the King James Version of the Bible a couple of times, so I didn't have that much trouble catching on to the language. My interest was historical. I enjoyed comparing the language of that time to today vernacular, and coming to understand meanings of those parts of Shakespeare that were difficult. So what I remember about Romeo and Juliet was my teacher explaining that Juliet was not wondering where Romeo was, but rather she was musing on the unfortunate coincidence that he was a member of a family that was feuding with hers.
Other than that, to be honest, I generally can't stand Shakespeare because I dislike most of his characters. Committing suicide as a result of a coincidence? Give me a break. And Hamlet! What a whiner! Macbeth is the only story that's half way enjoyable.
I was more sympathetic to West Side Story.
So I never introduced my children to Shakespeare, but my eldest son found him as a result of his interest in drama.

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February 11, 2009 09:04 PM
I remember studying Shakespeare as early as 5th or 6th grade, wherein we actually performed an abridged and slightly simplified version of Julius Caesar on stage for our parents. I got to stab Ceasar as Casca, something I doubt 6th graders would get to experience today.

I also vividly remember watching the movie version of Romeo and Juliet. I say "vividly" mainly because one of the scenes contained some uncensored nudity that caught our teacher off guard. It was the talk of the classroom for months. Oh, and we read through the entire play too.

These two experiences alone taught me that there was a lot more to what most folks see as "archaic" or "stuffy".

I think, having experienced Shakespeare at such an "early" stage in my education helped define who I am as a communicator today, and definitely contributed to me being characterized as "well-read" at a very early age. By the time I left high school, I had read every one of his "major" plays, seen most of them acted out in one form or another, and was completely prepared for college-level English Lit, to the point where the subject matter was comfortable, and I was able to speak with authority on most things my classmates were seeing for the first time.
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February 11, 2009 10:07 PM
Ah yes, why is it that the scene in Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet always seems to take the English teacher off guard? Maybe they were just giving us a little thrill? :) I remember a bigger shock when we watched Olivier's Hamlet and the teacher...ahem...forgot to tell us about the "Oedipus Complex" theory. We're all like, wait, did Hamlet just make out with him mom? WTF?

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