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M$1 March 01, 2009 07:06 PM

Would you support legalizing marijuana if it would help solve the financial crisis?

I never thought I'd say this, but after watching a special on MSNBC last night, I am starting to thinking that this may be a solution. Here are some of the facts:

1. In 2007, 1,841,182 were arrested on drug charges. Of that, 872,720 were arrested for marijuana.
2. Most marijuana arrests (89 percent) were for possession only.
3. You cannot die from a marijuana overdose.
4. Marijuana legalization would create jobs as well as more tax money. California is considering it as it would inject $13 billion a year in tax revenue in their state.

When you look at that, one really cannot say anything about marijuana that could not also be said about alcohol including potential for abuse and brain damage.

I never thought I would say this, but it this idea is starting to make sense. Anyone care to add their own two cents worth?

References:
http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm
http://www.dailyiowan.com/2009/02/17/Opinions/10080.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0254/is_n4_v53/ai_16433984/pg_10
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/2009/feb/24/california-marijuana-legalisation-legislation

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March 01, 2009 08:23 PM
Heck, yes! In addition to the reasons you cited: 
  • Mexico is dealing with a non-declared civil war right now between drug cartels and the government. One part of the reason that the cartels exist is because of the U.S. failed drug "war". 
  • California has far too many prisons housing far too many marijuana "criminals" , which could be as much as 40% of our state prisoners. I'm tired of paying for their room and board. 
  • Marijuana is a legitimate medication for pain tolerance and appetite stimulation. Forcing elderly cancer patients into the black market is a waste of money and lacks compassion. Even though California theoretically has legalized medical marijuana under some conditions, federal law still allows the clubs to be prosecuted and the users to be harrassed. 
  • Courts are clogged with silly cases against people with minimal marijuana use and possession. Again, we can't afford this. 
  • I see no difference in cognitive abilities between friends who are drunk and friends who are high. Neither should drive, both are annoying. Marijuana laws should be the same as liquor laws. 
  • NORML estimates cost per year of marijuana enforcement is $156.3 million. 
  • That's at least my two cents worth of opinion...

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March 01, 2009 08:24 PM
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March 01, 2009 07:09 PM
You know, I had never thought about legalizing as a way to help the economy. Thinking about it does bring about several things that make sense. Perhaps this is an option the government really does need to consider.

So long as the legalization is regulated (just as alcohol is regulated) I see no problem with this, especially if it helps us move past the economic issues we are dealing with!

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March 01, 2009 07:15 PM
It appears someone is following my answers today and hitting "no" for helpful answer on most of them... fun times considering most of the answers have been opinion answers such as this...

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March 01, 2009 07:26 PM
I don't think people are aware of the fact that what they do can be tracked by Mahalo. I've already been in contact with some of the Devs so I'm sure it is being looked into.

I think it is the curse of anyone that answers a lot of question. People feel that clicking "no" gives them a better chance of having the best answer so they follow around the "big guns" to try and discredit them lol

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March 01, 2009 07:11 PM
Although it would help increase so many jobs, it would cause a lot of problems.

Legalizing marijuana would just encourage other people to protest in legalizing other drugs - saying that it would help with the "financial crisis" -

however I do agree that it would be an excellent way of making jobs, for helping this situation, and there is little difference between marijuana with smoking and alcohol - they both affect your health. Brilliant question and interesting to consider for the future...and it may become legal in a way of encouraging money to help fund the country.

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March 01, 2009 07:46 PM
I don't agree that legalizing marijuana will cause a problem about legalizing other drugs. And mostly it's because marijuana can be deemed relatively safe. I think very few people would say that cocaine or heroin are safe. And the promise shown by marijuana for medical use is enough to put it aside and consider it separately in terms of policy.

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March 01, 2009 07:12 PM
Yes. We all know it's out there. Why not bring it out of the dark and treat it just like the rest of the drugs they sell at drug stores? Is marijuana any more harmful than alcohol or cigarettes or synthetic stimulants?
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March 01, 2009 07:17 PM
Definitely. In fact, marijuana is less addictive than alcohol and cigarettes and is less serious than caffeine except marijuana is a little more intoxicated (but far less than alcohol and cigarettes).

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March 01, 2009 07:16 PM
If we've legalized and taxed the hell out of alcohol, gambling and smoking--three things that have destroyed many more lives than marijuana--then I can't see why we wouldn't regulate this vice.

Things to consider:
1. Millions of Americans are abusing prescription drugs, which are much more dangerous.
2. Thousands of people are being killed in drug wars in the United States and Mexico over this.
3. Law enforcement officials are putting their lives at risk trying to fight the war on drugs.
4. The cost of incarcerating and processing minor drug offenders is absurd and wasted.
5. The money from taxing the hell out of marijuana, and other non-deadly drugs, would easily pay for a gap in building a national health care effort.
6. We let people smoke and that kills many more people that marijuana ever could (especially considering people who are taking weed here in Los Angeles are doing it without smoking it now).

It's really a no-brainer on so many levels. My gut tells me that we should let each state come to their own decision about this. If California wants to allow it and Texas doesn't fine--people can choose where to live based on it if it's that important to them.

Same way I feel about speeding. If Utah wants to have 80 MPH and New York wants 55 or 65 that's just fine. Give the states the ability to make a decision on this issue.

In California it's already basically legal. There are dispensaries everywhere and the local newspapers are FILLED with doctors ads to give prescriptions. Clearly people are not taking out newspaper ads unless they have customers (nor would these dispensaries be everywhere).

From what I understand Obama is not going to address this in term one, but might in term two if he gets it.

If you look at other societies that have decriminalized these "lighter" drugs, they seem to have less problems with them.

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March 01, 2009 07:28 PM
Likely that will occur, so that blame will not be on him but on the people. Though I believe the people will have few obligations against Marijuana as they have few obligations towards smoking, alcohol etc.

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March 01, 2009 07:59 PM
@darcy logan The Obama administration seems to be leaning in this direction. The AG has stopped DEA raids in California medical marijuana facilities. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/26/MN2016651R.DTL

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March 01, 2009 07:17 PM
I agree. Making it a criminal offense, while leaving tobacco and alcohol legal, doesn't make sense. They cause somewhat similar effects, and you could just treat being high in public like intoxication in public.

It seems like a waste of money to be arresting people for marijuana usage, because legalizing it and taxing it like cigarettes and alcohol would be a huge financial success. Plus, if it were taxed and regulated, it would cause the downfall of many shady dealers.

Even though it's illegal people use it, anyway, and they're not going to stop. The government can either continue spending money on fighting it, or get a piece of the money pie.

I'm sure there'd be an uproar from some people in the religious right, though.

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March 01, 2009 07:23 PM
I'm absolutely 100% in favor of legalization.

Aside from the monetary and legal results (all positive if you ask me), marijuana is a wonderful painkiller for people who need it. It's also used in things from shampoo to textiles to even food!

I've often wondered why we don't legalize it. The taxation of legal marijuana alone could turn the recession around in a few months, not to mention the jobs it would create and also help the American farmer (who is in dire need of assitance in these modern times.)

Everything that people think is bad abut marijuana is simply not true. It's propiganda and is in truth better for you than drinking alcohol. There are so many positive things about it and so many websites to glean real info about it, I'm hoping we'll see it legalized in my lifetime!

PLEASE check out NORML for more info and the truth. Education is the best thing for all of us!!
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March 01, 2009 07:28 PM
Absolutely, positively yes! I'd legalize all "soft" drugs. And prostitution too. It only makes sense.

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March 01, 2009 07:33 PM
The only reason I would disagree would be that there will be no way to regulate it. How can the officer pulling over someone know if it has been taxed or grown in the backyard? If it were to become legal, many people would start growing it themselves, and the taxes would be lost.

On the other hand, look at the money we would save in not having to prosecute and jail all the offenders.

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March 01, 2009 08:26 PM
The regulation points you bring up apply to alcohol as well. People make beer without paying taxes, and you're allowed to do so if production is under a certain amount. Same with wine. Marijuana could be in the same class.

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March 01, 2009 08:29 PM
But a lot more people can grow a plant that properly ferment alcohol. The startup cost too small with plants, everyone would do it.

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March 02, 2009 01:25 AM
@darcy_logan, They treat tobacco with a bunch of stuff before it they can sell it. You can't just take a tobacco leaf, stuff it in a paper and smoke it they way you can with marijuana. You have to dry the tobacco, sweat it, ferment it, let it dry again, and if anything in the process goes wrong, you have to start from scratch. With marijuana, all you do is dry it, pick out the seeds and stems and smoke it. It's totally two different beasts, just because it's grown and smoked doesn't mean it's the same.

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March 02, 2009 05:53 AM
I can't believe you even brought this up darcy. I would hate to see America turn into the Netherlands. And that is all I am going to say on this.

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March 03, 2009 08:16 PM
People are too lazy to grow stuff if it is available at a reasonable price. There is no particular reason marijuana would be more expensive than cigarettes if legal. And you don't have to treat tobacco in some complicated way, it's just dried and aged a bit for good cigars and pipe tobacco. The cigarette industry adds extra poisons for various unscrupulous reasons.

I agree that the biggest financial boost would be the savings in courts and especially jails.

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March 01, 2009 07:36 PM
I dunno. My guess would be they wouldn't see nearly the amount of taxes they are expecting for the simple reason that this recession isn't hitting just the government pocket-books, but the people as well. People are in on hard times, and are ingenious when it comes to finding a way to save a buck. Since it doesn't have a "brand-name" I could easily see people growing a little plant or two in their house/backyard. Also, those that are already growing it would be selling it under the table without the taxes. They won't make the profit they do now...but, they also wouldn't face the same risks they do now...probably a fine as opposed to jailtime...

As far as affects on people...it's true that the physical affects are limited, and not dissimilar to those of smoking and alcohol...but the marijuana culture which has arisen will not go away overnight. While yes there are the functional who smoke, there are far more who are not...think half-baked on a wide-spread scale...

Also, it's much harder to detect someone who is high as opposed to someone who is intoxicated. This is going to have serious consequences for both job safety and productivity...

I guess in my own disorganized way of thinking, this is what I'm trying to say. They are going to make some money off of it with taxes, but not as much as they think they are. They need to consider some of the wider consequences to business and regulation before jumping on it. And weed may not be physically dangerous, but there are definate cultural and psychological dangers which can't be ignored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_qD9uZ8kB8
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March 01, 2009 07:55 PM
I think your view on Marijuana is limited to its recreational use. Different from alcohol and tobacco, marijuana has a lot significant medical uses.
And how can you differentiate the psychological implications of marijuana use with those of alcohol use?
I think the problem with your argument and the ones of many people is that you are confusing use with abuse. And assuming all marijuana users are abusers.
Abuse of any substance is a problem. Abusing prescription drugs is a problem but no one has moved to make Xanax illegal because people abuse it. Marijuana can provide an alternative to many medications at a reduced cost and with fewer side effects and can be used recreationally in moderation (I mean why not?)
Why do people insist in demarcating such a difference between legal drugs and marijuana? I don't see how smoking a joint at a party makes you any more of a drug user than someone who spends 3 nights a week at a bar getting drunk (and in this case, the drunk would be an abuser while the occasional smoker a user.)

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March 02, 2009 05:56 AM
Ya that video says it all...

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March 01, 2009 07:43 PM
I favor legalization 100%. It can be very good for the economy and for health care.
I say regulate marijuana and tax it. That way the government can actually earn some money from it rather than wasting money arresting stoners and putting them in prison.
I disagree with what people have said that this will bring on people to want to legalize other drugs. The truth is that Marijuana is safer than alcohol and most prescription drugs. The same cannot be said about deadly substances that should remain illegal such as heroin and cocaine.
And medically, marijuana can provide a relief to cancer patients, glaucoma patients, and those with mood disorders. There needs to be more medical marijuana research. It shows promise for pain and inflammation management as well as mood management. And not only that, but marijuana can be cheaper than medications manufactured by drug companies. So it can help the economy by lowering health costs.
Right now, with the promise that marijuana has shown in medicine, it wouldn't surprise me that some of those lobbying for tougher marijuana laws might be pharmaceutical companies.
For now, it seems the federal government has taken some promising steps toward at least tolerating medical marijuana as the AG has stopped DEA medical marijuana raids. We'll see how it goes.
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http://drugpolicy.org/homepage.cfm
http://norml.org/index.cfm


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March 01, 2009 07:45 PM
I would also legalize it. It would not solve the recession, but it would contribute in the long run.

I also strongly believe that harder drugs will be more limited on the market, if people can find (and pay heavy taxes for soft drugs) normally.

I knew people who were having only soft drugs, but the dealers always tried to sell them harder drugs. And some people will fall for harder drugs when they are less in control. And that may lead to serious problems.

The Netherlands already profits out of legalizing soft drugs.

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March 01, 2009 07:47 PM
I would support the legalization of marijuana even if it didn't help the financial issues our country is having. The fact that it would have an impact in that area only makes it even better.

Lots of people want to, and are *going to*, smoke marijuana whether it is legalized and regulated or not. There is no reason why we shouldn't be profiting from that use, when more harmful drugs are already legal.

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March 01, 2009 07:49 PM
Having never used illegal drugs, I think Marijuana should be legal, because I think our government should not have that much say in our lives. Is it really their business if I wear a seat belt or listen to an ipod while crossing the street? A government with say over details like the transfat in foods I buy is way too totalitarian (i.e. Everything in the state, nothing outside of the state). Government is to protect human life, not to mother us.

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March 01, 2009 08:10 PM
While you make a very good point, the government does have an interest in preserving the life and health of its citizens (ergo seatbelt laws). The only way a country can keep going is with a population that's alive and healthy.
But even considering that, legalizing marijuana makes sense, especially because it can potentially improve the health of the country, create jobs, and balance the budget by reducing pointless law enforcement and judicial expenses while obtaining a new source of tax revenue and employment.

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March 01, 2009 10:23 PM
See, I understand what you are saying, but I really think it is dangerous to let the government decide what is safe for us and require it. If my decision affects only me (like in the case of seatbelt laws), I should be allowed to make it without the government's help. It is a slippery slope to allow government to ban anything they deem dangerous. Are doughnuts dangerous? Is rock climbing dangerous? Is religion dangerous? Behaviors that do not endanger others should not be illegal. period.

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March 01, 2009 07:50 PM
I think, it's about time America starts talking this way about Marijuana, it was only made illegal less than 100 years ago for very racist and irrational reasons, I think it's about time it gets legalized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGKeq2HrBxA

I watched an interesting interview on CBC (Canada) about Marijuana and the interviewees made an interesting point the only people who don't want Marijuana legalized these days are the actual criminals themselves who are making money off selling drugs. If the government can step in and oversee the growth the distribution of Marijuana it creates legitimate jobs, it can tax the hell out of it and it can start being honest about Marijuana and it's dangers, the dangers are a mix of tobacco and alcohol, your inhaling smoke and you probably shouldn't drive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_x0uItrBJk

So many problems will be solved and so much money will be saved. I remember reading a story once about a man who in the early 80's got caught smoking a joint (the cops found a roach on his property) for some zany reason he got life in prison, he's already gone through a hand full of cellmates including a man who killed his own mother, the man was only in 15 years, yet the pot smoker is still being bars.

Also once, America starts to reform their drug laws it releases the shackles that countries like Mexico and Canada are attached to, most of our drug laws are influenced and even enforced my America. For Canada look up Marc Emery, and for Mexico just look at how the drug lords are taking over using terror.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz10HtQiSk8

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March 01, 2009 08:17 PM
Thanks for the clarification for the "unhelpful" button. Sometimes I get confused and use it as more of a "thumbs up" "thumbs down" button.

Yes I would absolutely support legalizing marijuana. This does not mean I support using it, nor does it mean it's good for you. But should it be ILLEGAL (and should we spend billions of dollars fighting it)?? No.

Alcohol is worse for you (remember we tried prohibiting that, and it didn't work-and making marijuana illegal isn't working either).

An interesting fact. Marijuana (all "hemp" actually) was made as an excuse to deport Mexicans, who were the main users, from Southern states. Many of the legislators who voted for it didn't realize this would stop hemp from being used to make papers-which is much better for the environment than trees.

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March 01, 2009 08:48 PM
Mendocino County in California has a marijuana-based economy. Despite periodic raids on and arrests of the biggest offenders, the economy and lifestyle thrives. However, the county is plagued by gun crime and fires related to Mendocino's backyard and indoor pot farms.

I believe that marijuana should be legalized for medical and recreational purposes. However, illegal marijuana already contributes a great deal to the economy via shipping, facility construction, etc. Legal marijuana would affect the supply-demand balance of covert operation. So while legalizing it would increase the number of people farming, selling and being taxed, as well limit outsourcing, the cost of production and therefore the sales price would decrease. And in light of the increased crime and fire outbreaks in Mendocino, legalized pot would actually increase the financial burden of responding to these these incidents. So as for supporting legalized marijuana for economic purposes, I say nay.
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March 03, 2009 08:21 PM
If it were legal then why would there be indoor farming and crime associated with it? Those seem to be side effects of criminalization.

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March 03, 2009 08:35 PM
Something that is criminalized, regardless of eventual legalization, produces a subculture of criminals who have adjusted their way of life around the concept of illegality, evading reprimand, and high monetary output. Even if marijuana is legal, it will take some time for people to adjust their mindsets, and if they cannot adjust they may turn to other illegal revenues in an effort to maintain their lifestyle.

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March 01, 2009 09:12 PM
No. At least not for that reason. Deciding whether a drug should be legal or not should not be based on whether we need the tax money.

On a broader front, I can see that legalizing it could be a good thing, because our criminal laws don't seem to be a good way to deal with the problems of addiction, use, and accompanying crime. But personally, I would hope that we have very strong laws to prevent people from smoking it openly on the street. Second-hand smoke from cigarettes is bad enough, but second-hand smoke from a mind-altering drug is intrusive and dangerous. Also, it excludes people who don't want to be part of the pot-smoking from the particular area in which it's being smoked.

I don't want to seem too negative. I'm open to the argument that dealing with the problems associated with marijuana use would be easier in a legal regime where it isn't criminal. Also, the argument that the trade has created a whole criminal economic structure. But the argument that "we can make some tax money" should not be the basis of such an important decision.

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March 03, 2009 04:42 AM
One thing I know for sure - having an opinion on this matter can sure get you off jury duty quickly.

I was called in to fulfill my civic duty recently and I was pretty excited about it actually because I believe in a jury of your peers. Unfortunately, it was a case where the cops busted a guy who had been doing a little farming in his attic. When they were selecting the jurors they asked if anyone on the panel had an opinion on medical marijuana and I threw my hand up in the air thinking that Everyone had an opinion on the subject. I looked around and saw 35 blank stares and no other hands in the air.

I was a little bit surprised and alot dismissed.

thanks for the references - I'll check them out so I can become even more opinionated.

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March 03, 2009 06:04 AM
No.

And I am very disappointed and saddened that the rest of you are in favor of such A large decision and so quickly.

The fact of the matter is that everything of this earth has a purpose.

Including (And as much as I hate to admit it) the rational thought and talent of our law enforcement and law makers.
(Yes not all of them are swine)

To put this in perspective lets take a look at why marijuana was classified and banned as a drug in the first place.

Under the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, marijuana is classified as a Schedule I drug on the basis that is has "a high potential for abuse and therefor classified as a controlled substance.

What's this all mean ?

Simple, It's addictive, Its a hallucinogenic addictive drug.

While I'm sure the powers that be didn't intend for it to be that way, It's a substance built for abuse.

Now with any regulated substance you have trafficking, you have organized crime, and you have corruption.

What we need is reform.

Not another shortcut to get us out of this recession.

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March 03, 2009 08:27 PM - Fact Refuted
The government classification does not show that it is an addictive or hallucinogenic drug. You would need a study to show that. The government has been trying to find one for decades without luck. Their claim is thus only that it is somehow unhealthy, unnecessary, and in particular the claim that it is antisocial. Your brain is not a relevant source for this particular claim.

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March 04, 2009 05:03 PM
albanian , some things in this world are no-brainlers.

If you can't see that marijuana is addictive i suggest trying to put down the pipe for a day or two ;o)

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March 03, 2009 08:33 AM
Honestly, I've always been one to think that if you tell people (especially teenagers) not to do something, they'll want to do it more. All of a sudden it has that COOL factor of being illegal, and the risk factor of having to hide so you don't get caught. It adds this whole mystery to it.

This website shows a comparison of some drug facts between the Netherlands and the USA: http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/67 . So, take away that illegal COOL factor and at first people will go crazy with it... but then once it no longer has that mystery, people will either stick to it for other reasons, or move onto something cooler. And at least, as you say, the economy will benefit from it in the process.
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March 03, 2009 08:05 PM
I have been in favor of legalization ever since the government report came out in the Nixon era that debunked the myths and rational for criminalizing it. The report was ignored, of course. Since then the government has sponsored countless studies trying to find something bad about it, and the results have been pitiful. It's just safer than so many other drugs, even over the counter ones.
I really don't think it would solve the financial crisis though. Still, every penny counts. A billion here and a billion there, as someone said. It could be taxed for quite a fair sum I'm sure, There would be big savings in the criminal justice system, especially the courts and jails. It would cut out a big prop from the violent organized crime gangs which cost a fortune to fight. On the other hand, you would have to spend some more money on health care (unless the fashion of smoking it could be changed - it's clearly bad for your lungs) and perhaps psychological care (but that could probably be prevented by regulating the strength of legal cannabis).
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http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm


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