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I think it sounds pretty unreasonable. There's a difference between charging an adoption fee to help assure placement in a good home, and an attempt to use the dog as a tool for financial gain instead of a loved pet.
Have you done your research on the breed and approximately how much it will cost each month to care for it? I would do so, and then I suggest contacting the owner and basically saying '$500 is a little steep for an adoption fee. From how I see it, it will cost X amount of dollars to take care of the pet each month, and that $500 could instead be spent on X number of months worth of care. I fully understand that an adoption fee may be necessary, but I think X amount of dollars would be more appropriate so that I can use my money to care for the animal properly rather than spending so much money simply to obtain the animal'.
Further, if the owner maintains that the fee is to assure a good home, invite them to come see your home and have the dog even come over to check out the place. Sometimes people are just so attached to their pets even when giving them up that they find ways (such as a high adoption fee) to prevent parting from them.
Good luck, I hope it works out!
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If you really want the dog and think that it is too much to pay, I would look online at people selling the same type of dog and see what the going price for a five year old is. If the average price is less, show it to the owner, you might be able to talk him down to a lower price.
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1) 5 years old. He (I'm assuming, since you didn't say "bitch") is an adult with all good and bad training firmly established. He is basically customized to someone else's lifestyle, which will be, at minimum, an inconvenience to you.
2) Neutered. There is no breeding potential for this animal, further decreasing any market value. His champion bloodline means little except he may be a very nice representative of the breed - or not, which which is why he's neutered.
Being from the top breeder in the world only has perks if this dog was show or breeding material. Unless there is a large value to "celebrity" status in this breed, it adds no value to the animal. (I'm always amused when people strut about being a celebrity in the dog world - next step is the most famous chicken plucker in the world, in my opinion, and I don't see them on the cover of "Time".)
HOWEVER...if that top breeder means that this is the healthiest, most fit example of the breed, there is some value there. Top breeders' "value" is most generally highest in buying a puppy, due to the guarantees of health and potential show value, not because of their celebrity. These factors have no value with this dog.
All that aside, if you love this particular animal and the $500 is the only way you'll be able to own him, it becomes reasonable. Ultimately, only you're the only one that can establish what he's worth to you.
Whatever the outcome of this transaction, good luck finding your perfect Pharoah Hound!
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If you are getting the dog from a purebred adoption group, it is common for them to charge an adoption fee for care and upkeep of the dog while in adoption, BUT, there are adoption fees and adoption fees, if you get my drift. My personal belief is anything more than a couple of hundred bucks should have a cost breakdown for why this dog is expensive (veterinary treatments, for example) from an adoption agency. If it is the owner, well, that's just the price of dog ownership.
Champion bloodlines are irrelevant here since you're looking at a pet because 1. The dog is neutered and 2. The dog has no titles on him that you list. I'll bet you that if you go back far enough in any purebred dog's pedigree that there are champions there. Heck, my rescued Malamute who came from a puppy mill breeding had at least two champions in the fourth or fifth generation.
So, the question now remains is if you want the dog and want to buy him. If you want to rescue a Pharaoh Hound, try Pharaoh Hound rescue (listed in sources). The money will go towards the care of these dogs rather than the profit of the owner.
If I were to buy this dog, I would insist on a veterinary check and full veterinary records disclosure. I'd also have him X-rayed for hip and elbow dysplasia (although it's rare among these guys), full papers, and request contact with the breeder. The reason is if this dog was bred by a reputable breeder, the breeder has a contract with the legal right of first refusal, meaning that the breeder will take back the dog under any circumstance but will not pay the owner the money back. I've actually had that happen to me when I tried to purchase two Malamutes. So, the owner could be trying to get around this contract -- but if the breeder ever caught wind of this, you'd be out of a dog.
Good luck!!!
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I am Margaret H. Bonham, pet expert and author of 30 books.
http://www.ph-club.org/rescue.htm
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Is it typical for owners of exotic breeds to ask for money from those considering adopting it?
An owner is moving out of the country and has a rare breed of dog he must give up for adoption. He is asking $500. The dog is 5 years old. Does this seem unreasonable?
EDIT for clarity: Adult male Pharaoh Hound, champion bloodline, neutered, trained, from the top breeder in the world
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| April 06, 2009 02:35 PM |
Have you done your research on the breed and approximately how much it will cost each month to care for it? I would do so, and then I suggest contacting the owner and basically saying '$500 is a little steep for an adoption fee. From how I see it, it will cost X amount of dollars to take care of the pet each month, and that $500 could instead be spent on X number of months worth of care. I fully understand that an adoption fee may be necessary, but I think X amount of dollars would be more appropriate so that I can use my money to care for the animal properly rather than spending so much money simply to obtain the animal'.
Further, if the owner maintains that the fee is to assure a good home, invite them to come see your home and have the dog even come over to check out the place. Sometimes people are just so attached to their pets even when giving them up that they find ways (such as a high adoption fee) to prevent parting from them.
Good luck, I hope it works out!
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April 06, 2009 02:28 PM
It is hard to tell if it is unreasonable without knowing the actual breed. Exotic breeds tend to be expensive to have in the first place and sometimes expensive to take care of. The owner is obviously looking to recoup some of the money spent on the dog. If the dog has good/championship lines, the owner may be looking at the loss of future stud fees. If you really want the dog and think that it is too much to pay, I would look online at people selling the same type of dog and see what the going price for a five year old is. If the average price is less, show it to the owner, you might be able to talk him down to a lower price.
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April 06, 2009 04:06 PM
Quite simply, yes, it's unreasonable. Although I don't know the market for this breed, this dog is: 1) 5 years old. He (I'm assuming, since you didn't say "bitch") is an adult with all good and bad training firmly established. He is basically customized to someone else's lifestyle, which will be, at minimum, an inconvenience to you.
2) Neutered. There is no breeding potential for this animal, further decreasing any market value. His champion bloodline means little except he may be a very nice representative of the breed - or not, which which is why he's neutered.
Being from the top breeder in the world only has perks if this dog was show or breeding material. Unless there is a large value to "celebrity" status in this breed, it adds no value to the animal. (I'm always amused when people strut about being a celebrity in the dog world - next step is the most famous chicken plucker in the world, in my opinion, and I don't see them on the cover of "Time".)
HOWEVER...if that top breeder means that this is the healthiest, most fit example of the breed, there is some value there. Top breeders' "value" is most generally highest in buying a puppy, due to the guarantees of health and potential show value, not because of their celebrity. These factors have no value with this dog.
All that aside, if you love this particular animal and the $500 is the only way you'll be able to own him, it becomes reasonable. Ultimately, only you're the only one that can establish what he's worth to you.
Whatever the outcome of this transaction, good luck finding your perfect Pharoah Hound!
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25+ years working with Rottweilers.
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April 06, 2009 07:10 PM
Ok, this isn't an adoption. The owner is SELLING the Pharaoh Hound. And the breed isn't that exotic, to be honest with you. It isn't rare. They're a bit unusual but that's because they're not popular. They are an AKC registered dog and are not considered a "rare breed." If you are getting the dog from a purebred adoption group, it is common for them to charge an adoption fee for care and upkeep of the dog while in adoption, BUT, there are adoption fees and adoption fees, if you get my drift. My personal belief is anything more than a couple of hundred bucks should have a cost breakdown for why this dog is expensive (veterinary treatments, for example) from an adoption agency. If it is the owner, well, that's just the price of dog ownership.
Champion bloodlines are irrelevant here since you're looking at a pet because 1. The dog is neutered and 2. The dog has no titles on him that you list. I'll bet you that if you go back far enough in any purebred dog's pedigree that there are champions there. Heck, my rescued Malamute who came from a puppy mill breeding had at least two champions in the fourth or fifth generation.
So, the question now remains is if you want the dog and want to buy him. If you want to rescue a Pharaoh Hound, try Pharaoh Hound rescue (listed in sources). The money will go towards the care of these dogs rather than the profit of the owner.
If I were to buy this dog, I would insist on a veterinary check and full veterinary records disclosure. I'd also have him X-rayed for hip and elbow dysplasia (although it's rare among these guys), full papers, and request contact with the breeder. The reason is if this dog was bred by a reputable breeder, the breeder has a contract with the legal right of first refusal, meaning that the breeder will take back the dog under any circumstance but will not pay the owner the money back. I've actually had that happen to me when I tried to purchase two Malamutes. So, the owner could be trying to get around this contract -- but if the breeder ever caught wind of this, you'd be out of a dog.
Good luck!!!
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I am Margaret H. Bonham, pet expert and author of 30 books.
http://www.ph-club.org/rescue.htm
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I can find, well, TWO pharaoh hound puppies available... AT ALL... on the internet.
I can find NO adoptable rescue dogs - none of the few existing "Pharaoh Hound rescues" have any available.
It is ranked 146 in registrations on the AKC list and accounts for .01% of AKC registrations.
Perhaps you have a more refined sense of rare, but to the average person, I don't think it is outside the realm of possibility to include the word "rare" in a relative sense next just because the dog is identified as an AKC breed, especially since it is my understanding that some "rare" dog breeders purposely refuse to seek AKC recognition so they can better control how "rare" the dog is and, consequently, charge more.
Of course this is anecdotal, but I have only seen ONE Pharaoh Hound in in my life, amid the sea of other purebred dogs.
Regardless, thanks for the advice, and I apologize for misusing the term. I appreciate the info in the third paragraph.
Also, yes, the breeder is the "agent" between me and the owner, and will "remain part owner" if I get the dog. I feel it is unfair because I believe the breeder is charging the owner to "assist" in finding the dog a home, as part of a contractual agreement, and that this price is being passed along to me.