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2 years, 5 months ago about Ochocinco Extra Point

Did the Ochocinco extra point violate NFL rules?

Since the regular Cincinnati Bengals kicker was injured, wide receiver Chad Ochocinco kicked a good PAT and kickoff last night as the Bengals defeated the New England Patriots 7-6.

Are there any National Football League rules that require a dedicate kicker to perform those duties or can anyone kick if they want to? Does it make a difference between preseason and regular season?

I assume since the team allowed him to kick and the kicks counted that it was legal, just curious as to the actual rule regarding dedicated kickers.
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jeffp | 2 years, 5 months ago
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There is no rule that states who kicks a extra point as long as you do not have to many players on the field, the ball is placed between the inbounds lines and two or more yards from the goal line.
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spoon | 2 years, 5 months ago
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It doesn't appear any rule was broken. The terms in the offical NFL rulebook state "If the offense successfully kicks the ball through the goal posts, it earns one point." If the games designated kicker had to be the one to kick the ball for an extra point the term "designated kicker" would likely have been used.

"EXTRA POINT and the TWO-POINT CONVERSION = 1 or 2 POINTS

Immediately following a touchdown, the ball is placed at the opponent's two-yard line, where the offense has two options. Usually the offense will kick an extra point, also called the point after touchdown, conversion, or PAT. If the offense successfully kicks the ball through the goal posts, it earns one point. The offense can also score two points by running or throwing the ball into the end zone in the same manner as you would score a touchdown. Since going for two points is more difficult than kicking an extra point, the offense generally chooses to kick the extra point."

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bdegrande | 2 years, 5 months ago
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For decades, kickers were just regular players who happened to have skill at kicking or punting, including stars (Paul Hornung, Sammy Baugh, George Blanda, etc,) Anyone is allowed to kick.

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wook | 2 years, 5 months ago
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I can't find the actual text of the official NFL rules online. NFL.com only has a "Rules Digest". There's nothing in there which would prohibit Ochocinco from kicking a PAT or kickoff.

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albanian | 2 years, 5 months ago
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I can't think of any sport at all which has a rule like the one you are suggesting may exist. Lots of sports have rules about what the person playing a particular position may do, but I have never heard of a sport saying that a member of a team could not come on and play a particular position.

Unless I am mistaken, in football one can go even further: another player could have been the one to kick the ball in some fancy play to trick the defense, although one never sees that in practice.

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albanian | 2 years, 5 months ago Report

You like to ask questions, maybe you could ask that one. ie., "Is there any sport where a member of a team is not allowed to be assigned to any position for a game?" In most common sports the players can change position even within a single game. It used to happen a lot more, now everyone seems so specialized, but the rules were written long ago and there's no reason to change them about this.

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angieh | 2 years, 5 months ago Report

Do you have any section of the NFL Rule Book to back up these statements? I am looking for a direct provision within NFL rules which allow or prohibit this type of thing.

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buddawiggi | 2 years, 5 months ago Report

From what I can find of the NFL rules the only thing that matters is the number of men on the field at the time of the snap.
I can find no mention of who is and is not allowed to kick the PAT.
I wish I could being a Patriots fan :(
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/playersubs
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/digestofrules

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albanian | 2 years, 5 months ago Report

@Spoon found it. I was right through general knowledge but I'm not a big sports fan. Even so, I'll repeat my other point: this is a really strange question because I don't even know of any sport, not just football, which disallows a team member from playing at any needed position.

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kerryk | 2 years, 5 months ago
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Doesn't matter who kicks. I remember a game a few years ago when Philadelphia Eagles kicker David Akers was injured and one of the linebackers, (Mark Simenou) did the kicking duties for the rest of the game.

"kicked a PAT, the first defensive player in NFL to kick a PAT since Houston Oilers LB Ted Thompson kicked four at NY Jets, 11/23/80" ---- http://neworleanssaints.com/Team/Injured%20Reserve/People/Mark%20Simoneau.aspx

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maateeoo1999or | 2 years, 5 months ago
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No rules were broken as per NFL Digest:Players-Substitutions

1. Each team is permitted 11 men on the field at the snap.

2. Unlimited substitution is permitted. However, players may enter the field only when the ball is dead. Players who have been substituted for are not permitted to linger on the field. Such lingering will be interpreted as unsportsmanlike conduct.

3. Players leaving the game must be out of bounds on their own side, clearing the field between the end lines, before a snap or free kick. If player crosses end line leaving field, it is delay of game (five-yard penalty).

4. Offensive substitutes who remain in the game must move onto the field as far as the inside of the field numerals before moving to a wide position.

5. With the exception of the last two minutes of either half, the offensive team, while in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line and snapping the ball with the obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul; i.e., too many men on the field.

And then there is this from:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_4880958_nfl-punting-kicking-rules.html

Field Goal
# At any time, a team may conduct a field goal attempt worth three points. If the attempt is made and unsuccessful from beyond the 20-yard line, the ball will go to the defensive team and placed at the site of the kick. When the kick is made within the 20-yard line and unsuccessful, the defensive team gets possession of the ball on the 20-yard line.

Extra Point
# After a team scores a touchdown, it can try for an extra point via a kick. The ball must be placed at least two yards from the goal line. The defending team cannot score during an extra point attempt. When the defense obtains possession or the kick is blocked, the play is over.

So it seems that any player on the team can kick the ball. But if their not skilled at kicking, their chance of making it , not so good.

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