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Was it fair? If anything, it was too lenient.
Will it have any impact? Not really.
The NCAA effectively did three things with this ruling - they put Memphis on probation, they took away the record for number of victories in a season from Memphis and they fined the school. Okay, in actuality the took ALL their victories from the season away and made them give back the money from the 2008 NCAA Tournament, but it's effectively the same thing.
So, back to my answers - in reverse order...
Will it have any impact? Not really.
The difference between 0 and 38 victories is really the same as between 34 and 38 victories - it's the record. But here's the thing-it's a meaningless record. It's a record based as much upon the number of games modern teams play as it is on the quality of the team. It's a record that has a life of five or six years (depending on how quickly we can get teams playing 40-plus games). And if you still don't agree that it's meaningless, tell me who held the record before Memphis? Exactly.
The money Memphis forfeits is insignificant and so is the probation. So this is basically taking away a meaningless record, taking away a meaningless amount of money and probation. This basically equals no impact.
Now as to whether this was fair. I would say, definitely (though you could possibly make the case it is actually too lenient based on my comments above). Here's the thing - Memphis was told by Chicago Public Schools of issues with Rose's tests in October 2007. They reportedly investigated the issue, but still let him play. From the surface, it would appear that Memphis did not put enough effort into the investigation and the NCAA felt should be punished accordingly - the NCAA views these players as students first and players second and sent that message.
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The only real pain that the NCAA can inflict on teams that commit major violations is taking away scholarships. This is where it really hurts. The same holds true for what is going on in football right now (Florida State).
In basketball, teams only get 13 scholarships so any reduction will affect the team's FUTURE, which is where any good punishment should aim.
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Scholarship #s: http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/basketball.htm
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August 20, 2009 08:49 PM
Was the penalty for the Memphis Basketball NCAA violations fair?
Why or why not? Should John Calpari be disciplined also?
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Will it have any impact? Not really.
The NCAA effectively did three things with this ruling - they put Memphis on probation, they took away the record for number of victories in a season from Memphis and they fined the school. Okay, in actuality the took ALL their victories from the season away and made them give back the money from the 2008 NCAA Tournament, but it's effectively the same thing.
So, back to my answers - in reverse order...
Will it have any impact? Not really.
The difference between 0 and 38 victories is really the same as between 34 and 38 victories - it's the record. But here's the thing-it's a meaningless record. It's a record based as much upon the number of games modern teams play as it is on the quality of the team. It's a record that has a life of five or six years (depending on how quickly we can get teams playing 40-plus games). And if you still don't agree that it's meaningless, tell me who held the record before Memphis? Exactly.
The money Memphis forfeits is insignificant and so is the probation. So this is basically taking away a meaningless record, taking away a meaningless amount of money and probation. This basically equals no impact.
Now as to whether this was fair. I would say, definitely (though you could possibly make the case it is actually too lenient based on my comments above). Here's the thing - Memphis was told by Chicago Public Schools of issues with Rose's tests in October 2007. They reportedly investigated the issue, but still let him play. From the surface, it would appear that Memphis did not put enough effort into the investigation and the NCAA felt should be punished accordingly - the NCAA views these players as students first and players second and sent that message.
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August 20, 2009 10:38 PM
Totally fair. I was forced to wail in defeat in San Antonio when Memphis beat my UCLA Bruins in the final four. They won because of Derrick Rose, who should have been ineligible. Their cheating led to me being depressed after my team lost. Additionally by cheating the school made tons of money that they would not have otherwise made, luckily they are being forced to return that sum to the NCAA. I do think however as @kerryk pointed out, John Calipari should be both fined and suspended as it is very likely he knew and possibly orchestrated the unsanctioned actions committed by Rose.
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August 20, 2009 11:33 PM
no i do not think that the penalty is fair. after doing more research on the matter i think the NCAA RULING IS QUITE HARSH. when i was younger during my school days we had a saying if someone or a few students disrupted the class and the all of the form had to be punished due to the disruption the teacher would say "peter pays for paul and paul pays for all" just hated that. i think the NCAA should fine the persons who committed the violations. if it can be proven that there was gross neglect by the college to allow the violations to take place then the penalty is fair. note the main crux of the matter is that guard Derrick Rose is ACCUSED (note ACCUSED) for letting someone else take his Sats exam and his brother received free lodging and transportation by the team. Would u say that what happened or might have transpired with Mr.Rose and his brother would merit such a violation for Memphis? to the best of my knowledge basketball "is a team sport in which two teams of five active players each try to score points against one another by placing a ball through a 10 foot (3.048 m) high hoop (the goal)" (this was taken from wikipedia.org. did Mr.Rose,his brother and the coach actions determined the outcome of the 38 win season?
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2085823/memphis_basketball_to_vaca...
www.wikipedia.org
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9962654/NCAA-strips-Memphis-of-%2708-sea...
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August 20, 2009 11:40 PM
In the grand scheme of things, taking away wins doesn't really hurt anyone. The season is long over and you can't take away the experience the team and players got (dishonestly). Repaying the NCAA for the tournament appearance is, likewise, meaningless to any big-time college program. The only real pain that the NCAA can inflict on teams that commit major violations is taking away scholarships. This is where it really hurts. The same holds true for what is going on in football right now (Florida State).
In basketball, teams only get 13 scholarships so any reduction will affect the team's FUTURE, which is where any good punishment should aim.
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Scholarship #s: http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/basketball.htm
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