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"Ban gasoline cars from 2015" Sounds good to me, what do you think?

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE53Q0FI20090427

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April 27, 2009 07:34 PM
It's an interesting idea. It wouldn't work if it meant scrapping all existing cars by then, but it only applies to sales of new cars from 2015 onwards.

The biggest problem could be putting in all the supply infrastructure for any alternate fuel. Especially as a) the majority of cars on the road would still be gasoline fuelled, and b) most likely no single alternative fuel would have emerged as the new standard, so you'd be running parallel systems for gasoline, hydrogen, bio-fuel and all-electric vehicles.

Overall I'm not sure about the 2015 timescale, or introducing a 100% ban at a single point in time.

A lot of countries have recently introduced scrappage incentives to get people to scrap their old cars and buy new ones over the next year or two. I think a better idea than a 2015 outright ban might be to have a long-term incentive like scrappage, but for swapping to a hybrid or alternate fuelled car.

With all these type of policy questions, answers we can come up with on the back of an envelope aren't necessarily going to work. So I don't know the best way to achieve the goal, but the goal itself is a good one.
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• This is much less ambitious than you say. There are already four alternatives on the road: diesel, ethanol, biodiesel, and electric. They should stop making the plain gasoline cars now!


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April 27, 2009 09:11 PM
Currently, there is no good replacement for gasoline. Private industry wants to be sustainable at least as much as any of us do, since it's their way of making money. It turns out ethanol may actually pollute more than gasoline (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9647424, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266785,00.html). We're just not there yet.

I personally know people doing research on clean energy alternatives (e.g. thermoelectrics), but we don't have anything efficient enough and clean enough to rival gasoline. Everyone would love to be the person who found the clean fuel alternative, so I don't think an ban at an arbitrary date will do add anything to the situation. Rich nations are becoming more green, and I assume it's because we have the knowledge, interest, and resources to make it happen. (One study shows that as nations get richer, they become greener.) Just give us time.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9647424
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266785,00.htm
http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/the-richer-is-greener-curve


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April 27, 2009 10:03 PM
Historically, richer is greener in terms of air quality and the like. But never in terms of CO2 emissions. For obvious reasons, once people don't have to worry about food on the table ever, they are more willing to push for controlling smog, keeping toxins out of the rivers and the like. But they also like to fly and drive more, have tons of appliances etc.

Also, in this case we're going to have to square "we don't have a solution yet" with "if we don't get emissions down X% by Y date, the consequences will be catastrophic". So "just give us time" isn't necessarily going to cut it on this one, much as I wish it would.

We've found it with many things like CFCs that a very clear signal that continued use will not be permitted is a great spur to finding alternatives.

Though other incentives like cap-and-trade or carbon taxes might do the job better than a ban.

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