Can you find me one death directly attributed to Marijuana smoking?
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In addition, all of the reported adverse medical effects (as opposed to psychological effects) have been based on *smoking* marijuana. Medical marijuana advocates acknowledge the possible harmful effects of marijuana smoke (just like any other type of smoke) on the respiratory system, which is why they suggest other means of ingestion such as vaporization, oral ingestion, or suppositories.
http://www.michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/node/1030
At this time, the most objective sources report no deaths linked directly to marijuana use, although they acknowledge that more studies are needed for a definitive answer.
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20030918/marijuana-smoking-doesnt-kill
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/4426.php
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M$There are plenty of sites that claim it happens (or at least that weed laced with PCP, Sulfuric Acid, or Cyanide has killed people), but I haven't found any actual documented cases.
There is an interesting page here by Dale Gieringer, Ph.D. and Coordinator of California NORML circa 1994 that lays out several of the popular marijuana myths and refutes each (with several citations at the end).
It does contain a section on the myth that "Marijuana is harmless" with 2 main categories:
1. respiratory disease due to smoking and
2. accidental injuries due to impairment.
There is also a page here that discusses two different government estimates on what is a "lethal" dose of marijuana (in one smoking session).
Study one says "one-third your body weight"
Study two says "1,500 pounds"
Either way, that's a bunch of weed!
Now I'm not going to bet my life on the veracity either of these web postings, but I also haven't seen any official posts by the surgeon general stating otherwise.
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I have spent the past 20 plus years as a law enforcement officer and I can tell you this. It is clear that marijuana has, to some extent, effects on one's general state of mind as well as motor skills. The problem with legalizing marijuana is the lack of technology to monitor it (i.e. There is no "breathayzer" for pot).
I just wanted to make a quick comment about the lack of evidence provided by one report as to the effects of marijuana regarding upper respiratory, lung and other cancers. I would be hard pressed to believe that ANY researcher is conducting tests on the effects of smoking marijuana that even comes close to measuring up to the usage of cigarettes. What I mean is...How can you compare the two, if the average smoker for example smokes 20-40 cigarettes a day. I am not a pot smoker, but I have known more than my share and I never knew one who smoked 20-40 joints a day! It's an "apples and oranges" argument.
Thanks @singermachines,
You raise an excellent point regarding the lack of a "breathayzer".
And you are probably right that the number of studies on marijuana and its effects is much lower that of tobacco.
But I think both issues would likely be solved once a serious change for legalization were to arise. In other words, if it became legal, I would guess that someone could find a way to measure it. And I'm really sure that the number of studies on it's effects would increase exponentially.
Hi again. Having problems with the edit button.
A couple small corrections:
And AS AN example, I would use is this report which says both:
No Probably not. It's just not something that interestS me.
I hate having errors in my posts...
Questions like this convince people that it is okay to smoke something with 500+ carcinogens, according to a study conducted in Britain. More and more people are thinking it is safe because of questions like this. But it is wrong. Period. It messes with your head and people can easily die doing something while high.
breathayzer = breathalyzer
ARGH. This broken edit button is killing me....
Hi @matthewh,
Your Quote:
"Questions like this convince people that it is okay to smoke something with 500+ carcinogens, according to a study conducted in Britain."
Please post a link to this story so that others can read it.
And example I would use is this report which says both:
"In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke."
But also states
"however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time."
So it would seem that the delivery method is the biggest factor, assuming there are carcinogens.
Your Quote:
"More and more people are thinking it is safe because of questions like this. But it is wrong. Period. It messes with your head and people can easily die doing something while high."
First off, I listed in my answer a quote that marijuana can cause:
1. respiratory disease due to smoking and
2. accidental injuries due to impairment.
Though I have seen no evidence that the impairment for activities is anything close to that of alcohol.
Do I think it's OK to smoke marijuana right now? Absolutely not.
Why?
Because it's illegal. I don't see any benefit for me to smoking it when it could cost me my job and in my case lead to deportation (Japan is extremely strict about it)
But I do think that it makes little sense to have tobacco legal and marijuana not. If marijuana were legal and regulated, I still have seen no evidence that it would me more harmful than tobacco. So I would support it's legalization.
Would I smoke it if it was legal?
No Probably not. It's just not something that interest me.
I'm sure you've seen this clip from the news regarding the 911 call on a 'perceived' overdose of marijuana. I still can't believe the officer was stupid enough to make the call!
"In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals but did produce fatalities in smaller rodents due to profound central nervous system depression.
The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.
Thus, evidence from animal studies and human case reports appears to indicate that the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose is quite large. This ratio is much more favorable than that of many other common psychoactive agents including alcohol and barbiturates (Phillips et al. 1971, Brill et al. 1970)."
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm
In other words, even somehow swallowing 10 lbs of hash wouldn't kill you. Poisoning from cannabis is impractical.
However, this does not relate directly to why the drug is illegal. The government has always felt that the drug increases anti-social behavior. The argument has always been pretty thin. However, there have been some recent studies showing that continued use of strong cannabis can cause or make worse some psychopathic conditions.
That smoking is bad for your lungs is true of all type of smoking. Although some juries have declared that cannabis causes driving accidents, scientists have not been able to prove that at all - it seems to impair less than many other things.
It is pretty clear that the main cause of death related to cannabis is violent crime among dealers and smugglers, which is actually a side effect of making it illegal.
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M$There have been no deaths caused directly by marijuana. It was demonized for many reasons, but the reason it is still being demonized is because the pharmaceutical companies know it will help an awful lot of people for free, since it can be used directly off the plant and needs no processing to become usable. The pharmaceutical companies will be losing billions if it ever becomes completely legal. Those who suffer from depression, anxiety, insomnia, chronic nausea, eating disorders, and many more would be helped and would be able to grow it and use it as they see fit instead of spending thousands of dollars going to the doctor and then hitting the pharmacies to get the drugs prescribed, which are by far the most harmful drugs man has seen yet. Just look at Ambien and all those people who have been running around sleep walking, sleep driving, etc in blackouts completely unaware of what they did or where they went the next morning, only to find out they had a car accident and killed someone. Yes, it has happened, but you don't see Ambien being taken off the market, do you? Want to talk about dangerous? Those drugs are dangerous.
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In my answer above, I talked about how marijuana can be injurious to a person, the dangers involved in it's use, and any possible causes of death related to marijuana. I answered the question fully, appropriately, and efficiently. If you do not see how this answers the question then I am sorry, but it is not my problem.
how is my post unhelpful ?
your talking about aromas, cooking, vaporizers, ambien and making tea ... what does this have to do with the question ?
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M$http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/113/4/e365
Also there is no way to know how many people have developed lung cancer/throat cancer much like cig smokers do.
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Actually I think only 2 of the 3 died, but it still looks like a legitimate case of death from marijuana. Though post is in medical language that I can't really follow. It did lead me to discover this post that says marijuana may increase risk of stroke.
From what I can tell, it appears that marijuana use is not completely safe, but I would still contend much safer than some legal products such as alcohol.
And ironically as posted here, can "give stroke patients hope"
Quote from your first link:
"The incidence of stroke in childhood and adolescence is very low, at ~6 cases per 100 000 children per year..."
The under-18 population of the US is around 74 million:
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/013733.html
Over the five-year period from which the three cases were selected, there were at least 20,000 cases of pediatric stroke. The ability to cherry-pick three cases of stroke with a temporal relationship to marijuana use is not surprising and is statistically meaningless. And, as brian san pointed out in another comment, while there are carcinogens in marijuana smoke, no studies have shown a correlation between marijuana smoking and cancer.
(and again my edit button is not working. "Though THE post is...")
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"we made brownies ... and I think we're dead." TOO FUNNY !!!
I think he's only brain-dead, or at least rather stoned. Hats off to you and bunnyphuphu for posting this. It has "FAIL" written all over it (or at least it should; maybe you should submit it to Failblog).
Genius.
There was an old (1977) SNL sketch featuring a "marijuana-related death." I watched it along with about 30-40 other stoned college students (a rather appreciative audience). Transcript:
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/77/77cxpolice.phtml
I am a retired medical examiner
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M$I don't really think it is physically possible lol. Maybe if a person is acting stupid why smoking pot they could die because of their actions but not really from the pot.
This article,
http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2003/11/02/marijuana-causes-many-deaths-reported-as-accidents.htm, basically says that the deaths are really caused from the marijuana but are called "accidents". That is silly. Yes those accidents might have happened while being under the influence but it was not really a direct result of the marijuana.
According to http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30
Zero Deaths are caused from the use of Marijuana.
Shoot, I could die and they could find traces of my medicine for my ADHD and say oh she was under the influence of her prescription drug which caused this accident. So the prescription drug is what killed her. What a load of butterflys? Wanted to keep it clean. Anyways that was a silly example.
If marijuana was so bad they would not have people use it for medical reasons. But then again they used to give people other drugs that later showed harmful side effects, so maybe that is not a good argument.
But the good thing is that no one has ever even overdosed, at least not that I have came across.
Yes, you may die from something else while you have smoked the marijuana. Which may or may not be from the result of the changed thinking. Oh and Marijuana does not kill brain cells, unlike what most people believe. According to this fact page.
-----Quote-----http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
Myth: Marijuana Kills Brain Cells. Used over time, marijuana permanently alters brain structure and function, causing memory loss, cognitive impairment, personality deterioration, and reduced productivity.
Fact: None of the medical tests currently used to detect brain damage in humans have found harm from marijuana, even from long term high-dose use. An early study reported brain damage in rhesus monkeys after six months exposure to high concentrations of marijuana smoke. In a recent, more carefully conducted study, researchers found no evidence of brain abnormality in monkeys that were forced to inhale the equivalent of four to five marijuana cigarettes every day for a year. The claim that marijuana kills brain cells is based on a speculative report dating back a quarter of a century that has never been supported by any scientific study.
• Heath, R.G., et al. “Cannabis Sativa: Effects on Brain Function and Ultrastructure in Rhesus Monkeys.” Biological Psychiatry 15 (1980): 657-690.
• Ali, S.F., et al. “Chronic Marijuana Smoke Exposure in the Rhesus Monkey IV: Neurochemical Effects and Comparison to Acute and Chronic Exposure to Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in Rats.” Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behavior 40 (1991): 677-82.
-----/ End Quote-----http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
I MIGHT add more later. It is late, so I better go to bed, I don't want to let myself wake up. Can't let the insomnia feeling kick back in lol.
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M$He talked about it on episode two of Kevin Pollak's Chat Show
http://kevinpollakschatshow.com/all-episodes/
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I've seen that, it's kind-of-a "mockumentary" for Super-Size me. It is one of the more fun explorations into pro's of Marijuana legalization
How is this answer more helpful than my contribution ?
"if this drug is so dangerous? Where are the bodies?" My answer points out that there are deaths caused by smoking marijuana even if it was not the marijuana smoker who died.
We can argue the definition of what is "directly attributed." However, that will not bring back the lives of those taken away from marijuana smokers driving under the influence.
too many expertises circle the world about ganja, some say its a herb that cures, some say its toxic and it injures your psyche and body and the hole holistic self. but what doesnt. bob marley died from loungcancer, michael jackson was poisened, haille selassi got shot, and jesus was nailed on the cross. the most dangerous substance i know is made out of 98% water - guess which spezie that is :-)
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M$Or how about the 28,000 Mexican people have been killed in drug violence since 2006 by drug cartels so they can feed your nasty pot habit? You can say "that's not marijuana's fault". You're right ... it's all you pot-heads' fault. Your need to use drugs killed those people.
Don't try to make marijuana sound like a benign, happy drug.
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M$But where as the average smoker may inhale smoke, I don't know, 100 times a day, the average marijuana smoker may only inhale 1 - 5 times a day.
So obviously, if you are consuming much less poison each day, the ramifications are going to be much less.
Don't think you are immune to cancer and other health related issues when you are ingesting a poison over time. It may be slow, and you may never notice, but it definitely doesn't help your body.
It only makes sense that if you inhale smoke of any kind long enough, it is only going to hurt you.
Whether we can ever attribute it as the sole cause of death is doubtful - but that doesn't mean it is safe or good for you.
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Some people will argue that's it's a poison. Take the IND federal medical marijuana program started in 1978. There is one very vocal participant by the name of Irv Rosenfeld who has been in the program for more than 25 years. The federal government provides 300 rolled joints per month which he has consumed for over 25 years. The Feds have this "guinea pig" who they have provided with MJ and has never done a study of the effects (which might just prove it's not bad) of this on his body. His indepenent reports show abolutely no ill effects! Doesn't sound like a poison to me!
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That is just my opinion.
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http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20030918/marijuana-smoking-doesnt-kill
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Yes, I am looking for people who have died directly from Marijuana.
I am on your side with this argument ... however you can not deny the direct correlation between the fatality and driving intoxicated. The smoking of marijuana directly attributed to people dying in these circumstances.
Not intoxicated. My pills are not to intoxicate me. Lol they are to help me focus.
The correlation between drinking and liver failure is just as valid in my opinion as the connection between someone dying from a DUI homicide. In both cases the substance directly attributed to a death.
Note: The spirit of the question, as put forth by Jeff (and confirmed in his comments), is to find direct deaths from smoking marijuana. "Direct" being defined as "smoking marijuana directly caused death."
The question is not did smoking marijuana cause someone to do something that, in turn, caused their death.
An example of a direct death would be the person smoked marijuana and got lung cancer. Or, the person smoked so much marijuana that their heart stopped. Something like that is what Jeff is looking for.
Marijuana stays in the system for at least two weeks, up to a month, depending on the person's body habitus. Just because someone tested positive for marijuana doesn't mean they were intoxicated at the time.
Yes, a person does die directly from alcohol or cigarettes because it causes the illnesses. Also, many people have died of alcohol poisoning from drinking too much too fast, usually when drinking moonshine and not understanding how strong the alcohol is. Sometimes, however, teens will unknowingly try to drink an entire bottle of hard liquor (thinking alcohol is safe since it is legal) and will die from alcohol poisoning. Alcohol is an antiseptic, which is a substance that kills biological organisms. WE are biological organisms. So, everytime you drink, you are drinking poison, literally. This does not happen with marijuana. Nicotine can also cause death if too much is consumed. I hate to say it krusheasy, but your argument is full of holes.
STOP VOTING UNHELPFUL, There is no way this is unhelpful. I was just stating my opinion, not saying this is wrong.
This is a moot point. Being intoxicated impairs your reactions and contributes to any accident that may occur while behind the wheel. The accident may have been cause by a pot hole. Regardless of what the cause may or might not of been for the accident, the impaired person did not have the reaction time necessary to prevent the homicide.
People do not die directly from drinking alcohol or smoking cigarets either, it is the liver failure or emphysema that kills them.
And why does everyone keep voting my contributions unhelpful ... not even joining the discussion themselves.
Liver failure is the direct cause of alcohol. My uncle died from this.
But that does not mean he died from Marijuana. I don't really think it is physically possible lol. Maybe if a person is acting stupid why smoking pot they could die because of their actions but not really from the pot.
Okay, I quit this conversation because you are going off topic. And you as my mother would say is playing with words lol.
Still the edit button is not working. I just thought of all the drugs that used to be legal that actually were harmful. So I guess that last part was not a good point. LOL.
The hole in the logic is that there is no evidence that the accident was caused by the intoxication. Only a legal judgement that the law was broken has been referenced.
somebody dies as a direct result from intoxicated drives ... where is the hole in my logic ?
drives = drivers
My edit button won't work but i have more to say. Hope that is okay.
This article,
http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2003/11/02/marijuana-causes-many-deaths-reported-as-accidents.htm, basically says that the deaths are really caused from the marijuana but are called "accidents". That is silly. Yes those accidents might have happened while being under the influence but it was not really a direct result of the marijuana.
According to http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30
Zero Deaths are caused from the use of Marijuana.
Shoot, I could die and they could find traces of my medicine for my ADHD and say oh she was under the influence of her prescription drug which caused this accident. So the prescription drug is what killed her. What a load of butterflys? Wanted to keep it clean. Anyways that was a silly example.
If marijuana was so bad they would not have people use it for medical reasons.
