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M$3 May 23, 2009 10:54 PM

Non-profit versus for profit. What's best for us?

Our goal is to turn our site into a successful resource for artists/art lovers, and to make as much money as we can without compromising our services. We could get more accomplished with funding and have been told as a non-profit we could seek donations relatively easily. We are artists not businessmen, so we don't really know the difference in terms of how becoming a non-profit is limiting. What should we take into account when making this decision?
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May 23, 2009 11:17 PM
If your goal is to "make as much money as possible", even with caveats about not compromising services, it's unlikely that being a non-profit would be suitable.

The laws may vary depending on exactly where you are, but some of the following are likely to apply

- The non-profit must have a clearly defined purpose which is about doing good to some well-defined group or cause

- It cannot turn a profit, and all money it brings in must be used to pursue its mission, and serve whoever it is intended to serve

- It can pay staff, and you could be those staff. However ultimate control rests with a board, and the board is almost always *unpaid*. If the board members are paid more than minimally, your non-profit status may be called into question. Paid staff members may not be allowed to be full board members.

- Your freedom to vary what you do may be limited. Companies are free to pursue whatever opportunities they see, or to drop what it not working. Non-profits have to stay on their declared mission.

There's some quite good info here:

http://nonprofit.about.com/od/nonprofitbasics/a/qandastartnonpr.htm
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May 24, 2009 01:36 AM
Thank you, those are all compelling reasons to avoid non-profitness and the link is really helpful.

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May 24, 2009 04:38 AM
In addition to the points already made, there are tax benefits to being a non-profit. People can make donations and get a tax rebate. And you don't pay company tax.

So if your income is only likely to cover your expenses, you should consider being a non-profit. Or if you plan to take donations.

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May 24, 2009 09:40 AM
Good Answer!!

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May 24, 2009 12:35 AM
I went to your site and registered and looked around. Here is what I thought.
The design of the venusarms.com page was interesting, if a little jarring. But it grew on me. The other pages did not.
As I explored farther, I decided that what was bothering me was the colors. I was using Firefox. The red and black plus the way that the site was designed did not make me think of an art site. It seemed like the colors of a cult site. (demonic). I think that the red might stay if the black was changed, but the venusarms.com page was arty and soothing.
For a sec or two, I did not realize how to register. Putting the words login and register in different colors might be easier for the novice.
After registering, I wanted to go back to venusarms.com but I could not figure out how to do so without changing the url in the address box.
I liked the interview with Stan Sakai. It seems like you might be in to that kind of stuff. I wonder if you could link with Hulu? The Naruto Shippuden page at viz.com might be a good place to link to.
I liked the stuff about the Katana.
You have done a lot of work, and I think that you should stay with a profit making enterprise. You need to attract artists, but I suppose that you know that.
Good Luck, and I will check back now and then at your site.

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May 24, 2009 01:32 AM
Thank you. Our overall appearance and functionality need a lot of work but we are learning and trying to get more people involved with more skills to improve look and function. I appreciate you suggestions and taking the time to check us out.

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May 25, 2009 01:02 AM
non profit is better

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