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What do you think of these first 2 chapters of this story I am writing?

Warning...it may take a while to read these 2 chapters. If you don't want to read these chapters, then don't respond with annoying messages saying: "it's too, long!" This is for those who have time. If it even takes you hours to read and I don't get a response for several days...that's fine. I just want to hear some people's opinions. Besides, these are short chapters! The story is entitled: "The Garden."
I am a member of elfwood.com, and I am just starting to become a writer, so I would like to see what others think of the start of this story.
Note: it's only 2 chapters, and nothing has happened yet. It mostly opens up with a mysterious garden and a couple of beginning character descriptions. However, I just want to hear what people think of what I have so far.

It starts with the prologue chapter. Access it at this link:

http://www.elfwood.com/~brandonelle/The_Garden-PROLOGUE.3373505.html

And then continues on to chapter 1, at this link:

http://www.elfwood.com/~brandonelle/The_Garden,_Chapter_1.3373504.html

Remember...if you don't have time, that's ok. Just read little by little. If you like it, you can respond to the question and if you want more info. or to read later chapters when I have them available, e-mail me at: brandon_elle@hotmail.com.

Thanks
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April 17, 2009 09:00 AM
The plot itself is very interesting and I think it will make a very colourful, interesting fantasy story once it's finished. Since your descriptions are more than detailed, I found it easy to follow and to picture the whole setting. I could also see the persons you created very lively thanks to the details you've given. I cannot critisize anything about the story so far and the criticism I will now give should be seen as subjective advice, not as an insult or anything (since I'm a wannabe-writer on my own, I'm just very easy to hurt with criticism on the way I write, so I'm always feeling bad about giving advice myself).

As someone who has written herself for years and who was always trying to improve her skills, I made the same 'mistake' (sorry, it's no mistake but a personal habit, so don't take it too personally, will you ?) as you did with the descriptive details you've given. It's just too much, too many adjectives, there's no space for the reader's imagination. I know how hard it is to become a tender narrator of nature's features and its beauty, but I learned to become more carefully with selecting the right words and tell myself not to describe every single color, etc. Plus: you have talent, you're eloquent when it comes to find different words to describe the garden. That's great and makes the whole story vivid and colourful. Minus: unfortunately, every honest critic would say that's not too good because it's just to much and so it becomes literally boring and dull.
Besides, it's just way TOO perfect. As a writer, you love perfection, as a reader or critic, you don't want perfection. Perfection makes stories bad! Just imagine Harry Potter being handsome, with no scar or glasses, with muscles, unbelievable superpowers beyond the magic everyone else inhabits, a stunning girlfriend, millions of money he likes to spend on expensive cars, etc. Noone would like this person! What you are doing is creating Mary Sues (if you haven't heard of her before, google it). A Mary Sue (no matter if man or woman) is a fictional perfect character, beautiful, young, mighty, attractice, intelligent, chosen, rich, etc. etc. That is the way you describe your character: She's young, but yet stunning and sooo attractive, for some weird reason she wears nearly nothing (why is she ashamed to wear a bikini when she has worn a mini skirt before ? way too much forced sex appeal without a good reason!), etc. Where are her flaws ? Why isn't she exhausted, terrified, helpless, afraid, lonely, etc. ? It's the same with the other woman - even though she's young, she has already children and a husband but is still very beautiful, etc. That's not good, it's not realistic.

Another thing that could help you become a better writer is not to give it all away that soon. A story has to develop, the reader has to find out what the characters are like by seeing how they act. Your characters don't show personality, they don't react in their own ways ! You just tell. But as an author, you should rather show instead of telling (another HP-example: we learn about Neville's clumsiness by seeing how he makes a lot of clumy moves/mistakes, it's not as if we were just given the sentence "A boy walked in, his name was Neville and he was really clumsy." - because noone would really get his personality then but just something the author thought about and wanted to mention very quickly in the beginning). You see what I mean ? Right away, you tell everything you have thought of and there's nothing left to the characters that will change or develop or be revealed as the story goes on. Why don't you just give her name, Erin, and let the man appear, so that she can shout at him and try to get out of the cage, giving information slightly, like "Let me out ! You've imprisoned me for two weeks now, I can't stand it any longer. Where is my family ? What has happened ?" - here you learn about her personality (she's angry and helpless, she can't tolerate her situation any more, she's confused), the state she's in (she's imprisoned for to weeks, she doesn't know where she or her family is, she has no clue why she's there), so the reader will ask himself the same question. It keeps him reading to find out what has happened to her. But if you just tell and give it all away right in the beginning, there's nothing that has to be revealed later on, no mystery, no real problem that has to be solved.

Okay, I know that's a lot of hard criticism from someone who has never published a book and who has to learn a lot herself, too, but I hope it helps you and that you're taking it as an advice I offer, not as an insult. You're story is nice and interesting, but you can make it better with the talent you have.
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue



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April 18, 2009 07:22 AM
Hey, thanks for answering ! I'm sorry that I gave you the feeling I was not paying attention while reading your story and that I was mixing things up - I know I didn't, but you're right, maybe my answer was a bit confusing. I blame that on me not being a native speaker, I'm still trying to improve my English and to make my texts being understandable to others, so if you misunderstood me, I'm sorry.

I really wasn't mixing things up, and I'm very aware of the fact that there are two women, living in different parts of time. Just as I wrote "It's the same with the other woman - even though she's young, she has already children and a husband but is still very beautiful, etc.", I wasn't saying that you've described her clothes or that she was in the same situation as Erin, I wanted to point out that Helen too was described as way too perfect. (Quote from Chapter 1: "Helen had thick red hair and green eyes. She had beautiful freckles and at twenty three years of age, she was young and gorgeous. She had two daughters and a young, handsome husband that had just been called overseas to fight Germany in the Great War. She was strong and independent in the time that he was gone, living as a good mother, raising her two infant daughters by herself.") You see, she has no flaws, she leads a perfect life. That's what I meant. I'm very well aware of the fact that she has an interesting historic background to her story and that she was turned into a flower !
I also didn't mean to tell you how to write or rewrite your story ! When I gave the advice on what Erin could say or do ("Let me out ! You've imprisoned me for two weeks now, I can't stand it any longer. Where is my family ? What has happened ?"), I never meant to be exact or to use the correct details. I was just giving an easy example on how to make someone in her situation give information on situation, knowledge and character by reacting/talking. I really understand that she has been in there for two years by now, and that she gets along with it after all. I know it. I just didn't know how to make an example using the correct information. I thought about advising on writing something like "The Old Man returned, and when he did, she used to try to make him talk to her. But Erin didn't shout at the Old Man any longer. For weeks and months she had begged him to let her go, to tell her why, to tell her where she was, yet to have mercy - but as time passed, she became more and more quiet, accepting her situation. Now, after two years of time, she finally remained silent, just as the bird in a cage that gave up its hope of freedom." You know, I could have tried to make this an example for giving information more slightly instead of saying "She had been there for two years", but then again, it would have been teeling instead of showing, so my advice wouldn't have been too good. Still this example could show her reaction better, since here you would have seen that she's accepted the circumstances.

So please don't get me wrong, I just wanted to give an example, I didn't want to tell you how to rewrite it or anything. I had my facts straight, and I still can't see where you got me wrong and why (because in my eyes, I thought I made it perfectly clear that I knew there are two women), but I want to apologize for giving you that impression ! I would love to see how the story continues and how the two characters connect, so I'll email you right away.
I hope that I could make myself more understandble, if not, please let me know, I'd really appreciate it !
Thanks for taking the time to comment, have a nice day as well.

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April 19, 2009 07:20 AM
Seems like we finally understand each other ;) I'm glad you get my point and that you share my opinion. Thank you so much for the posiitive feedback, it really made my day.

I already mailed you yesterday, so you can keep me updated with the story. I'm really thrilled to read what's happening in the next chapters ! The idea with the flachbacks sounds great, I guess I'd love it. In case you didn't receive my message, you can contact me by means of 'iulianolte@freenet.de' or just send me a private question, I'll then try to mail you again.

Julia

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April 16, 2009 07:26 PM
Very interesting plot. I wasn't sure where it was going, then there you were. A new twist to the classic story. Although you were very descriptive in the prologue once you read the next chapter you understand why. The only thing that I personally did not like was starting a sentence with "All of a sudden". I think you can be more creative than that ;)
FYI: You should post your story on Fanfiction.com. (my newest addiction)
People can read each chapter and send you reviews.
Good luck with the rest!

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