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 M¢75  Funded By Mahalo ? |  October 21, 2009 02:33 AM

Should witches be stripped and beaten in public?

According to the BBC, in Pattharghatia village in India an Islamic cleric accused five village widows of being witches. A mob dragged them out, stripped and beat them, made them eat excrement etc. BBC reports:
"On Sunday morning the victims were taken to a playground where hundreds had assembled to watch the ghastly incident," deputy inspector general of police Murari Lal Meena told the BBC.
"No one in the mob came forward to rescue the victims as they were being stripped and beaten up," he said.
What does your religion and culture say about this sort of treatment of witches, real or imagined?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8315980.stm
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October 24, 2009 05:39 PM
No. This practice violates human rights. It is sad. No one deserves to be treated like that from an accusation.

You ask if these women should be beaten in public and paraded the way they were. I ask you... Should the African Children who have been accused of witchcraft be tortured, murdered and killed because they were accused by Christian Pastors?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2299361/christian_pastors_denounce_african.html

My religion says this is wrong because the number one rule I follow is Harm Ye None.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8315980.stm



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October 21, 2009 04:15 AM
They could be spanked lightly in private...and only if they wanted to be.


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October 21, 2009 09:01 AM
I deduce this represents the opinion of modern American couch potato culture.

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October 21, 2009 09:09 AM
No, actually it doesn't. Please don't lump this opinion with the other modern American couch potatoes.

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October 21, 2009 09:08 AM
Mine says that is a horrible violation of human rights and completely wrong. It would be as wrong as beating a woman for baring too much skin, a Christian for professing his love of God, a Jew for wearing a Yamaka, a child for making a face at a stranger or anything else. Witches, real or imagined, have the same human rights as anyone else.

Allowing this kind of injustice opens the door to many ugly things. If they can do this to those 5 people, anyone can say you are a witch and have the same thing done to you. Would it still be okay then?

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October 21, 2009 11:59 AM
I take it you represent modern American couch potatoes who watch the news as well as the sitcoms and maybe even sometimes Public Broadcasting or the BBC.

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October 21, 2009 07:49 PM
No, actually I am the modern American couch potato that doesn't own a TV. I get my news from http://english.aljazeera.net/ as well as BBC and CNN and legitgov.org since I like seeing more than the narrow minded American world view. I don't watch sitcoms, reality TV or any other mindless drivel that's on TV these days. I spend most of my time trying to make money to support my 2 sons and make ends meet or home educating them or coming up with ideas to write about or working in a nursing home. I am more of a internet junky LOL and have been called a "glowing couoch potato" because of the computer screen glow. So I openly accept that name :)

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October 22, 2009 01:29 AM
That's interesting. I had only heard of couch potato referring to TV watchers, since computer folks use a table or desk and chair.

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October 22, 2009 09:13 PM
Really? That's interesting. I'm learning a lot on Mahalo. I always thought it was someone who sat a lot and didn't do anything too productive (like playing online)

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October 21, 2009 09:20 AM
In the christian religion ,what I know in the old times (read long time ago in a book),the witches were set on fire or hanged as their punishments .

The below excerpt from this source does not even say being ' stripped and beaten ' so I guess that is their own innovations(modern??), additions to the punishments of the so-called witches they suspected, if real or not. As the punishments are said to be in ancient times.

"The punishments for practicing witchcraft also varied from simple executions and setting fire to punishments handed out in the province of Bastar in India which involved shaving the witch's hair in which they were supposed to store their power knocking their teeth out to prevent them from muttering evil incantations. Women suspected of the same crime were even hanged upside down from a tree, pepper put into her eyes and a lock of hair cut from her head and buried in the ground to break the link between her and her former powers of mischief. "

http://khanriz.tripod.com/witch.htm

Anyhow, that was a terrible thing that happened in India,as the news said.
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October 21, 2009 11:43 AM
This is a helpful answer with an interesting reference. However, the reference is an essay and has a lot of mistakes and misunderstandings in it.

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October 21, 2009 05:11 PM
Now that you've mentioned it, I got your point. Thanks,albanian.

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October 21, 2009 09:57 AM
No ,they shouldnt be beaten or killed ,especially in a country like (democratic , secular) india .
Yes, they should be killed or beaten , in a country like india where elected Prime minister takes oath according to thithi and muhurta ( GOOD TIME )
i have never seen any islam witchcraft . i live in andhra pradesh , where witchcraft is very prominent . Much of this comes from HINDU only .
I wish i could explain and talk about it more, as im leaving to a remote area where nothing can be accessed .
Till then read the article i given bellow
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http://www.positiveatheism.org/india/s1990b11.htm


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October 21, 2009 11:51 AM
An interesting source about a group fighting belief in witchcraft in India.

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October 21, 2009 09:19 PM
In the Jewish Pentateuch it says to "not suffer a witch to live".

That's not the same as killing them. It just means that you don't have to go out of your way to keep them alive, and a lot of scholars think it was a sardonic instruction that was basically saying that if their magic is so powerful, let's see it save them from whatever trouble they're in.

But then Christians and Islams adopted parts of the Jewish traditions, and took some of those traditions to extremes, and the issue of witches was one of them.

It's estimated that in the middle ages something between 100,000 to 300,000 people were killed in Europe for being witches, and from what we can tell via independent third-party accounts, of which there are not many (because to be caught writing a non-biased report could get one accused of being a witch) eventually people like Voltaire so scared the Christians into seeing that they might loose their whole membership if they didn't get civilized that the Christians started getting civilized by the 1800's.

That hasn't happened yet in some of the Islamic nations, where parochialism combined with a poor economies and a poor standard of living have their lives so meaningless that they look for ways to vent their frustrations, and stoning people for any excuse at all is good for an afternoon's entertainment.

But keep in mind that in very poor and undereducated parts of Christendom, they'd just as quickly do something like stone a person accused of being a witch if there was nothing better to do, so it's not an Islamic thing... it's mostly an issue of what can happen when members of an Abramic religion have a poor standards of living, with no hope for the future, being bored and looking for some form of entertainment plus a way to vent frustration, and the Abramic religions give them, as one of their rationalizations, the notion of it being okay to kill someone accused of being a witch, which is double-sad because, as noted, the original Mosaic intent was probably just to tell people that if a witch thinks her magic is so powerful, then leave her alone and let her see for herself if her magic can solve her problems.

In other words... no... of course they should *not* be stripped and beaten in public.

Maybe if they had conjured up a dragon to go through town, setting building's on fire with its breath, it might be justified, but not unless it's something on that scale, and even then you might want to think about it, else they might conjure a dragon and send it strait at you if you start stoning them.

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October 21, 2009 09:39 PM
My religion (Odinism) witches would be highly respected as avatars of nature, certainly not beaten, burn or hung.

"In the lands where Germanic languages are spoken today, there were witches before ever the Inquisitors wrote down their Satanic fantasies, brewing spells and dancing on the mountaintops. Holy women and hags, they were the heirs to an ancient tradition, and the name for the goddess who embodied their lore was "Heide", Witch and Wisewoman of the North."

It kind of makes me stomach turn a bit that simple women are still being tortured because of other peoples ignorance.
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October 22, 2009 02:38 AM
No, the proper punishment for a witch is to turn them into a newt.

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