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M$2.25 September 09, 2009 02:50 PM

Will we get our money back?

Peter Whoriskey from the Washington Post is reporting today that the U.S. is "unlikely" to recoup the billions in bailout money given to the auto industry.

Did you see this coming? How does this effect you opinion of the bailout?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/08/AR2009090804072.html
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September 09, 2009 03:19 PM
Remind me again why I had to bail out several banks and auto manufacturers with failed business practices when no one is bailing ME out of Citibank? Or helping me tell AT&T to go stuff themselves with their double billing and lousy service? Or Macy's who doesn't seem to understand the concept of a "FRAUD ALERT" on a credit file due to an employer's careless storage of unencrypted SSN #'s on a laptop that was stolen and they wans payment for fraudulent charges?

I love Citibank's "We're retroactively raising all interest rates to 29.99% effective July 1st and telling you this on August 15th" policy.

Or how about the "We sell cars that disintegrate after 5 years so you'll have to buy a new one" business model?

So, tell me again how these bailouts benefit ME, especially when it's just going to be "business as usual" for them while they gleefully skip away with our tax money?

Better yet, tell me which department to go to, and which congressman / senator to schmooze with, so that I can get a $100,000.00 grant to fund MY start-up. You know, the one that will actually fill a gaping void in the industry? The one that would enable me to work only one job? The one that would enable me to provide a quality product and get other people's work much needed exposure?

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September 09, 2009 04:29 PM
Its because big companies pay big money to big time politicians who in turn, watch out for their meal tickets.

2 things that I find really BS atm.

A) PMI Insurance, Its insurance you pay (because you cant put 20% down on a house....who the hell has 20k sitting around (minimum)) insurance for the company if you cant pay your mortgage, thus making it harder for you to keep up with your payments.

B)Credit Default Swaps, to break it down really easy, people take out a "life insurance" policy on your mortgage, if it "dies" before its paid. They make money. They pay pennies on the dollar for these insurance policies, so if Bank A sees that you will probably foreclose on this house (before even giving you the loan) they give you the loan, with PMI Insurance, High Interest, they then take out a CDS against you, when you fail they get paid big $ on you failing + PMI and then they get your house to sell and you end up broke as a joke.

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September 10, 2009 03:24 AM
I just nominated your answer for answer of the day

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September 10, 2009 03:52 AM
Thanks - and that answer came during my morning coffee. :)

Max doesn't function properly until there's at least 16 ounces of coffee in the system. :)

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September 09, 2009 03:31 PM
Of course many of us knew this from the very beginning. Bankruptcies and business failures are the free markets way to protect itself from bad business practices. It's how the bad gets weeded out and the good continues to grow. Assets from bankrupt or failed companies don't disappear, they are absorbed by the marketplace into businesses that are being run on more sound principles. Pouring billions of dollars into failed companies that inevitably bankrupt themselves down the road is ludicrous and hurts the economy. Preventing bad businesses with bad practices to fail by supplying them with artificial infusions of taxpayer money is both ludicrous and harmful to the economy. Not to mention we just threw a ton of taxpayer money down the toilet.

Read a little of Walter Williams, Professor of Economics at George Mason University. Here is what he said almost a year ago:

http://economics.gmu.edu/wew/articles/08/LessonsFromTheBailout.htm
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September 09, 2009 07:04 PM
I think that we will get all of our money back. I have not found reporters to be especially prescient when it come to money. This is an ideal time to restructure the American auto industry. The changes in energy efficiency, the trend toward smaller cars and different fuels make for exciting opportunities for new and younger managers. The rise in labor and transportation costs in Asia will make us more competitive. The tendency toward socialism in Latin America will hinder their progress. Looks good to me.

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September 10, 2009 12:08 AM
No, you will not get your money back. The country is already in a deficit.

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September 10, 2009 03:03 AM
Never. These companies lost money because they don't know how to run companies. More money won't solve the problem. Lets just burn the money.


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September 10, 2009 07:01 AM
No, they lost money because of poor monetary policy at the Federal Reserve. And like most people and companies that are in trouble now, they were suckered in because of the cheap money. The repeal of the Glass Steagall Act that was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999 led to our present predicament. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act

"Let's just burn the money?" Bailing out banks and corporations is just like burning the money, because you have not purchased anything of value with the money. Let's just not print anymore!

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September 10, 2009 08:15 AM
Yeah I know the fed had a lot to do with it. You do realize when i said to burn the money, i meant it in the exact context you said. Giving it to these companies would be like burning it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-54Y-A9iBo

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September 11, 2009 06:06 PM
Please watch this insightful video that colonial butros posted! Nice to have someone put together this succinct explanation of how the financial domination system robs us of our wealth.

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September 10, 2009 03:05 AM
No, we the people will NOT get our billions back from the auto industry. The money was spent without any "strings," being attached, it was a deliberate attempt to evade and avoid legal process. There was no method of accounting, except the disbursements. This was one of the steps to waste and corruption that permeates throughout the U.S. government, and to the inevitable socialism of the USA!
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Experience, history and "Downfall of Civilizations."


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September 10, 2009 06:32 AM
We will get our "money" back, but it won't be worth much! ha ha! The Fed is just going to print more and more money to pay for our wars, bailouts, social security, Medicare and other entitlements. Our money is not backed by gold any more, it's a fiat currency, like all world currencies, so that is why this can be done. Throughout history, money has been debased time and time again. And you know the result when that happens, the inevitable collapse of that country. Money has supposedly two functions, a means to facilitate commerce, and as a store of value. The latter has been significantly compromised. Use this inflation calculator: and you will discover that the dollar has lost 96% of its value since 1913, the founding of the Federal Reserve. What cost $1.00 in 1913 would cost $21.52 in 2008. In contrast, using the same calculator, you will discover that what cost $1.00 in 1800 would cost $0.49 in 1900! The value of money actually increased! So educate yourself about money, and how money systems work! Think about how much money is in circulation right now. Think about how much our national debt is. These numbers are in the TRILLIONS of dollars. Where did this money come from. It was created out of thin air! This kind of money did not exist 100 years ago. Eventually, I'm afraid it will all collapse. I'm personally fond of the Austrian School of Economics. Maybe Mahalo can create a private money system that will retain the value of the Mahalo dollar. Do not peg its value to the American dollar!

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http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
http://mises.org/
http://www.moneyasdebt.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_currency


Tags: fiat, money, inflation, bailouts, supply

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September 11, 2009 09:29 AM
I just posted this suggestion for comments, which is related indirectly to the above discussion.
http://www.mahalo.com/answers/mahalo-answers-suggestions/how-about-mahalo-dollars-or-mahalo-points-giving-us-partial-ownership-of-mahalo

I would like it if the Mahalo dollar became a more reliable store of value than the American dollar. All major currencies are fiat currencies not backed by anything. There has been a call for backing to be in gold, or possibly a basket of commodities. How about the Mahalo dollar or point being backed by knowledge? Is this a more enduring source of value?

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September 10, 2009 02:15 PM
It wasn't our money. It was the governments money they took from us. It stopped being our money as soon as we lost all control of it.

Will the government get their money back? of course!, but not from the auto industry. They will simply get more from us. If they did somehow magically get the money back from the auto industry it wouldn't reduce our taxes or inflation. They would find something to spend it on and continue on. I doubt we tax payer would feel any difference either way.

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