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M$2.05 August 02, 2009 11:11 PM

i've heard at one time long ago, there were 13 zodiac signs. can you help me find the 13 month/moon zodiac? and any info about it?

also, where did they originate?
does any culture follow a 13 month zodiac to this day?
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August 03, 2009 01:50 AM
The "13th sign" is Ophiuchus, in which the sun appears from November 30 to December 17. The traditional solar zodiac of 12 sun signs of equal length originated with the Babylonians and was adopted by the Greeks. Ophiuchus was not a part of the Babylonian zodiac, and the Greeks retained the 12-sign zodiac even though their own sky maps indicated that the sun's annual path did indeed pass through Ophiuchus.

http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyprinciples/zodiacwheel.htm

There was never an official 13th sign of the zodiac in ancient times. A modern "real solar zodiac" has been devised but is not in widespread use.

http://www.geocities.com/astrologyzodiacs/realsolarzodiac.htm

This zodiac is based on the modern boundaries of the constellations, which were not defined until 1930 and which do not necessarily correspond to the constellations' "traditional" borders.

http://www.iau.org/public_press/themes/constellations/
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August 02, 2009 11:51 PM
Actually there are 13 constellations that the sun passes through. Ophiucus, the Serpent Bearer, is ignored by astrology. It makes up a little over half a month. Ignoring Ophiucus only serves to make astrology more inaccurate (is that possible?).
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August 03, 2009 12:28 AM
Here's what Wikipedia says about the thirteenth sign of the zodiac.

"Although Ophiuchus intersects the ecliptic, it is not a zodiacal sign in most versions of astrology. The signs are defined as 30-degree segments of the ecliptic, of which there are twelve, and they are named after nearby constellations at the time the system was developed, rather than being defined by the modern constellations. However, a few sidereal astrologers consider the Sun to be in the sign Ophiuchus when it is in the constellation Ophiuchus, which as of 2008 is November 30 to December 17."

"Although not incorporated into the 12-sign zodiac, Ophiuchus and some of the fixed stars in it were sometimes used by astrologers in antiquity as extra-zodiacal indicators (i.e. astrologically significant celestial phenomena lying outside of the 12-sign zodiac proper). An anonymous 4th century astrologer, often known as Anonymous of 379, seems to have associated "the bright star of Ophiuchus", likely α Ophiuchi, with doctors, healers or physicians (ἰατρῶν)."

Basically the sun passes through it, but mainstream astrology doesn't recognize it as a true zodiac sign, because the sun only passes through it for 19 or so days.

Following the Wikipedia link to Sidereal Astrology you can learn about the differences between Tropical and Sidereal Astrology.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_astrology


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August 03, 2009 05:29 AM
There isn't a 13 month, but the 13th sign is Ophiucus 11-30-12-17. The 13 signs divide up the 12 months of the year.
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm
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http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/index.htm
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm


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