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M$2 April 14, 2009 09:55 PM

What do you think is most probable? The Dow Jones going to 7,000 first or to 9,000?

I am guessing 7,000 because I believe the PE ratio (price divided by earnings) it currently too high for current times. Actually, history indicates that PE ratio in really bad times with 0 interest is normally 10, which would make the Dow Jones 5500. What do you think?
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April 15, 2009 03:14 PM
I would disagree with you. I think it is more likely that we will go up to 9,000 rather than 7,000.

The stock market tends to be a leading indicator of the direction of the economy. From my own understanding, the market improves before the economy does. So even if economic indicators are still in the toilet, (which many are), investors would have already expected that. In the past year, we have seen a number of indicators fall through the floor. Unemployment, sales, revenue, etc have all dropped quite a bit, and some of them are still going down. However, the SPEED at which they are going down has slowed. That leads me to believe that we are approaching the bottom, and will begin to improve within 6 months or so.

We have already seen signs of improvement. Banks, which helped start the collapse, have come out with profitable quarters. Goldman Sachs just released their Q1 financial report, which showed a significant improvement over last year. I believe that investors have weighed this data and are expecting that the economy will improve soon. I also think that's why the market has had upward movement recently, and that trend should continue.


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April 15, 2009 09:10 PM
Your probably right about investor looking out 6 to 9 months ahead of the economy. What are the fundamental heavy weights that will drag the economy down? Banks don't seem health. The government will buy up $1.15 trillion MBS, $300 billion in bonds, another $200 billion, another $200 billion of Term Asset Back Securities Loan Facility. Citigroup and BoA are buying up MBS on the secondary market. Corporate yields are starting to turn. Not alot, but they seem to have peaked. Foreclosures are rising. Mortgage modifications has not stem the tide of foreclosures. 2.1 million homes could be lost in 2009. 2/3 of businesses expect sales to be lower in the second half of 2009. Inventories are being purged. Barnes and Noble purge $350 million worth of inventories.

Inventories have to be replenished. The surprise could come from manufacturers, who typical overreact and could cause a spike in productivity. GDP numbers could start to look good for a brief period of time.

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April 14, 2009 10:13 PM
I believe that, while we have not bottomed out, we are close to that, I don't think we will hit 7000.

The 50 and 200 day moving average is starting to flatten.

Good news economically is starting to get mixed into the bad eg. Goldman Sachs is repaying some of the TARP money which means their board thinks they are at the bottom and this is a good time to give up equity to pay back the loan.

Today's dip is on the bad news from GM, but really this should have been expected and most market movers have not been surprised by this.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123966095412114827.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&am...


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April 14, 2009 11:59 PM
2009, Quarter 2 will be weak, manufacturers will overreact, investories purged, the market looks out 6-9 months, but in the 3rd and 4th quarters manufacturers will start building inventory. The surge will be short term, but the stock market could reach 9,000 then drop back down into a flat profile.

Corporate debt fundamentals will not be resolved short term.
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